Constant Kino and A Short Cut Through Kino Escalation

So much to add to my blog and so little time.  I gotta give people some breath, however I feel that my blog now is evolving based on my students’ needs and that’s cool by me.  But you don’t give a shit about all that 😉  On to the good stuff.

Another Article by Sonics – This time:

Subject: Constant Kino
Date: January 25th, 2008 02:36:44 PM (EST)

Author: sonics

Themesong:

(I got a question about Constant Kino on another forum, I started answering it and this is what came out… thought I’d post it for your guy’s eyes too.)

First off, Constant Kino isn’t really anything new… I just named it because it’s something I’ve noticed myself doing and I thought with a name it’d be easier for people to understand and able to help them more. I’m sure many of you readers have been doing this naturally forever; but this is for the guys who that haven’t been.

This isn’t like Mehow’s Pure Kino, which is like doing the trust test or a palm reading (I don’t read palms; but palm reading is an example of a Pure Kino Routine), Constant Kino is your legs touching each other’s while doing the palm read and remains constant after the palm read is over.

The actual constant thing doesn’t start until you actually know the girl a little… really, a half hour after knowing someone doesn’t mean you KNOW them know them; but that’s about how long it takes to get to this point, in most cases… you meet a girl get to know her then all of a sudden you guys are always touching…

It is by all means perfect for alone time, alone meaning just you and her. Day 2 stuff, special case bar girls : ), or maybe there just isn’t any room for anything but for Constant Kino to take place, like you met a girl while you were seated at a party on a packed couch.

It’s all in the name; you are constantly touching her, think of it as always having some kind of kino going on. Not you just keep touching her here and there throughout the interaction. You are always, constantly, touching her and she is always touching you as well by default, many times it will be the girl initiating it.

Think of subtle long lasting kino as the bottom line of this.

Say you’re watching a movie in the theatres (which still works as a completely acceptable day 2) and you guys are sharing an armrest with your elbows and forearms against one an others, or maybe your knees are touching.

That’s weak and basic but still what I mean by Constant Kino. I just wrote that example as a final way for you to have an idea of what it is you’re reading about.

I think of PDA as a public display. Constant Kino, while having many of the same “moves,” isn’t really for others to see. While PDA is Constant Kino, Constant Kino is also a term that explains what the lasting kino is when no one else is there to see. PDA should never stop, the people just need to leave : )

Like when you’re at one of your houses on the couch and she throws her feet on your lap or say you guys are cuddling. Like in my HBBcup LR, where our legs were touching while I was standing at the table, no one else could see, it wasn’t even a big deal, it was just happening, purposely.

Once you have Constant Kino going, and if the situation allows it PDA, sex is inevitable. The comfort and familiarity with touching each other has been going on since you first started hanging out, it’s then only natural to full close. You don’t need it; but when I’m running solid game Constant Kino is always there.

If you think about the word “Constant” you’ll remember to be doing it. Now you can sometimes draw attention to it; but for the most part it’s something neither of you two should be thinking about… which is kind of a contradiction since I told you to remember the term; just don’t make a big deal out of it happening while you’re making it happen.

This will sound a little AFC to the new guys; but think of you and the girl temporarily sharing your world, kino and all; that’s where you want to be. Get her here and it’s crazy what chicks will do.

OBVIOUSLY, you shouldn’t and can’t always be touching the girl. Leave the girl every once and awhile with her friends or your friends, then when you come back go Constant Kino again. Keep it subtle and discrete, not always PDA. The only person that really needs to know about the kino is the girl herself. That goes for all kino really. You don’t have to or even really want to be claiming the girl in front of others, unless you can tell that that’s what she wants. (Anybody with a decent level of female facial calibration will be able to tell if you’re claiming her to show the guy talking to her, (if her eyes stay locked on you while a guy is claiming her, she’s telling you to keep going) this just makes me lose respect for the guys. I used to be that guy)

Constant Kino is a shared thing, if the girl isn’t receptive yet, wash rinse and repeat later. That I suppose is where the escalation in this comes into play. Say you’re on a day 2 at the mall and you go for the hand hold, she’s not feelin’ it, you drop her hand. You do it again, she’s still not really feelin’ it, and you drop it again. A little later, for a third time you’re walking slightly in front of her, you go for it and she holds onto two and a half of your fingers like she’s been your chick for the last year. (Take her someplace secluded and go Constant Kino with your body parts (legs, arms, feet, back of hands, palms, etc.)… and escalate.)

It’s all the places you would normally touch; you’re just doing it constantly letting the kino continue.

Try this once you get the Constant Kino going: after you’ve been touching each other for a few hours break it off for no reason and watch her come back in or ask you “what’s wrong?”

Remember kino is a reward. If she’s bothering you in anyway, no kino!! Be playful with it, while making it something you just do.

Like I wrote at the top of this post, I’m sure a lot of you guys are doing this already, now, if you weren’t already, you can consciously add to your already existing skills in this area. This was more for the people that weren’t doing it already… Keep it constant guys… it’ll help.

Ways I’ve initiated the Constant Kino:

1) tickle attacks to snuggle kino

2) “Let’s see if you fit”

3) random hand placement (if you’re in her car just reach over and put your hand on her leg)

4) Grab her hands and put them on you

5) move her body parts (leg on top of your leg when side by side)

6) all sorts of close close proximity types

7) just the tips of your shoes

8 ) hand on her lower back

9) start it on the dance floor!!

10) Hugs with a spin into proximity shoulders touching

Thanks for reading.

If you have any relevant questions… fire away

-Sonics

Sidecar:

Subject: “Lets see if you fit…” *A shortcut through Kino Escalation*
Date: July 13th, 2007 07:32:34 PM (EDT)

Author: sonics

A Sonics original (to the best of my knowledge at least) … enjoy

*A short cut through Kino escalation*

This will help you get to that point of pushing the interaction towards a make out, or a ONS, or potential girlfriend, or FB, whatever… here it is, fun and easy:

“Let’s see if you fit”

Use this after you both like each other. Could be instant or it could be after awhile, no interaction is the same, it could be after you isolate, a lot of the time, for me, it’s after very little Kino has been exchanged or before any Kino has been established at all, you both wanna touch each other, this just helps that happen…

You’re sitting next to her and you make space for her to scoot in under your arm to do a sit up cuddle and say “let’s see if you fit” then you guys do a sit up cuddle.

Or

Simply stand next to her and say “Let’s see if you fit” with an arm out as if you’re inviting her to come in. Have her step in under your arm with your arm on her lower back…

Or

Hold out your hand and say “let’s see if it fits” and hold her hand, fingers interlocked below the waist in a “we’ve been dating” kind of way.

This has been field tested by me for the last month and a half and the girl will ALWAYS come in to see if she fits! So far for me anyway, and that’s a lot of different girls auditioning for the fit. Remember this is after attraction, the majority of the time it’s after all those IOI’s, after those shared stories, after you’ve felt each other out and feel comfortable with each other, most importantly when it feels right. I’ve yet to F this up; but probably will one day who knows. It’s worked for the guys I’ve told already too, so, if you want, I’m sure it will work for you too.

Make sure to act as if it’s no big deal, and just continue being yourself and doing the same thing you were doing before the Kino.

This is just one way and probably the best LINE so far I’ve found to initiate Constant Kino, which is huge in my game. I know it’s a line; but once you get here a couple times you’ll be able to think of a thousand different ways to get Constant/Comfort Kino.

This is perfect for the time spent together at the bar after a number close, or walking down the street to a new venue, and standard in isolation.

This is not the time to say no you don’t fit and throw her away, unless of course you still feel like playing and aren’t ready to take that step… cough <wuss> cough This is the beginning of your new playfully enjoyable and shared world. Think “couple Kino.”

Happy Flower Picking,

-Sonics

Sidecar II:  

I chose The Stooges because last night I was writing this at a bar in Chicago where I decided to go, and finish up work and at least give myself an opportunity to open sets while I was working.   Sooo.  Once I finished doling out homework, answering emails and posting this, this song came on so I made it the themesong.  PS – I like Iggy Pop and the Stooges anyway.

Did you know he actually helped fund and pay for the air conditioner for a place called Sweat Records in Miami, which is a Record Store that doubles as a coffeeshop?

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The Seduction of Rainbow Dash – Finale

Tsod:

(this is the JAKE she’s referring to in our FB exchange later.  Apparently I remind her of him.)

Alright, you wanted it, you got it.  The final installment of the Seduction of Rainbow Dash.  If you want to get a total Break down of how to make a Difficult Lay take place, (assuming you’re a guy reading this though I do so love my female readers), definitely check this out but go back and read part 1, part 2 and part 3.  When I write my Lay Reports I’ve always broken things down in to specifics.

Of course you can always check out the whole list of my Awesome LRs and Seductions (always growing and there are still so many I haven’t even put up yet) on my page The Seduction Chronicles – A Collection.

Enjoy the final installment, my reports can be on the long side but they are ALWAYS packed with great stuff! (from what people tell me…)

Again my replies will be in Italics while everyone else’s will be in normal.  Here we go:

« Reply #100 on: January 28, 2013, 02:12 AM »

It’s pretty awesome. I hate to be all mushy about this but last night was one of the funnest nights I’ve had in a long time. It was the HB Rainbow Dash’s birthday.

Maybe I had a sort of childhood where I took everything so serious, was alone a lot and didn’t have many friends, at least cool chicks my own age. When I was in my 20s I always wanted a chick like this, since the first time I went to Club X back in the day and realized these types of chicks existed, especially after going to places like Leland City Club which is a much cooler  version of NEO/The Exit.

However, not to confuse things, Club X was more of a Club/Club, like the Mid where as Leland (less cool people call it the “City Club”) was more like a goth/industrial club. I ALWAYS had a crush on the hipster, rocker, punk. goth, dyed hair types with tattoos. Always. And to this date I haven’t filled my meter on fucking those types of women. Maybe I need to get emaciated and skinny and get a lot of Tattoos and dye my hair black… OR maybe I would (Dan) rather just be better off catching them outside their club environment. OR Like in THIS case, she wasn’t quite club age yet, 20 going on 21 in a matter of a week.

Whatever; I don’t wanna get too off track, but all I have to say is that this was a cool last week for me. Yesterday, I woke up and immediately started teaching students. We went and did daygame. I was TIRED when I woke up, damn sleep apnea shit. I came back home from that to my place and we held the Round Table. Needless to say by 8:30 it was time for me to go meet her and pick her up. She happens to be a Rollerderby chick as well which I like. Yes, many Rollerderby chicks are not as cute as you may think but some of them are pretty hot. She is a Jammer not a Blocker. Jammers are the ones that go fast and score points so they are usually slim and lithe if that helps.

She is soo hot to me IMO though, body is fucking so nice from top to bottom, beautiful smile, AMAZING ass, I mean… AMAZING ass, and her tits are nice D sized cups but not HUGE, but she has these perfectly suckable nipples.

And piercings and Tattoos and rainbow colored dyed hair cut short.

But she was pretty smart. She goes to some pretty prestigious college for her chosen major and apparently all the kids at that college are smart kids. But she also has that fucking youthful exuberance. That’s what I loved. She was so fucking… I dunno, so much the chick I always wanted when I was younger, and have only had a couple times since then, but usually they were bad girl types. This one was/is the good girl type.

She was singing songs, talking about interesting shit one moment and cartoons the next (which are still interesting to me anyway ) We were arguing in my bed about politics then making out and fucking right after, she was just so full of life and all that.

Youthful Exuberance. And to be honest, I LOVE that shit.

Needless to say we fucked and did all sorts of other naughty type shit from about 11pm till almost 6am. It was soooo hot.

But what does this do to me in the long run? It instills a little more confidence in me that I’m not too old for these younger chicks. I mean, I’m 39 and she’s 21 now. This is almost like permission to go ahead and seek out and bang more younger chicks. Not that they are the only ones I want to bang, but I was getting worried there for a moment.

Anyway, she was just so fun. She would alternate between shy and confident – one moment she would be quiet as a church mouse and composed and the next she would be be shaking her ass, or gyrating her body doing stripper moves. Oh, and isn’t it interesting what you never know about someone. She apparently was a Stripper for a short while, but said she didn’t like the lifestyle so stopped, HOWEVER she still does Pole Dancing exercise to keep fit. And she is, solid from head to toe. Not ripped but solid, great body and all that.

So I am good to go and I have a few other chicks to follow up with. She is going back home to her home state in a couple days. We may chill again, not sure yet, but regardless – it was fun while it lasted.

I sent this after what I thought would be the last time I saw her...  Nope!

I sent this after what I thought would be the last time I saw her… Nope!

« Reply #103 on: January 29, 2013, 02:05 PM »

Obviously I’m still a rather young buck, but am starting to be curious about the scene when I’m in my mid-late 30s too.

How did the age discussion come up, how did you handle it? Do you think that bc she’s already a bit of a punk-rocker that she is more open to things like dating a 39 year old then maybe a 21 year old sorority girl? Was there any expectation of spending money on her, and did you spend money on her? (not to question beta-ness at all — I’m just curious how the scene looks and how expectations are).

Congrats again man — I know I just nailed a 21 year old and I really felt like I was getting something extra young and tasty and I loved it… and I’m only 28. I can only imagine how much better it must feel for you. Major props!

« Reply #104 on: January 29, 2013, 04:03 PM »

The discussion came up first in the texting. Then it came up later when I was kinoing her. Resistance, resistance resistance. And here’s what’s funny. If I would have given in and said, “Ah Fuck. She’s telling me I’m too old for her and it’s creepy,” which is sort of the vibe (and what she said) she gave me when I commenced kino, then I wouldn’t have fucked her. Funny enough, I don’t know if this was backwards rationalization OR if she already felt this, but she started telling me later how she always liked older guys and how she thought the idea of it was sexy.

Now WTF? But at first that’s NOT what she was saying . So in the texts you can see what I do, then in person I didn’t make a big deal out of it, maybe just “How old do you think I am? I’m definitely NOT 40!” Implying I am Much Younger but I’m being honest. She said 35. I said, “That’s a fucking Great Guess.” That’s all. She would make comments about me being 35 from time to time but I never denied her. Then she found me on Facebook, friended me and found out I was 39. I will link in with the photo of that text exchange at the end.

But the key to this was the El Topo shit I played with her. I was planting in her the suggestion that she is the type of girl who has 2 personalities fighting against each other all the time. I told the 2 wolves story, then right off the bat followed up with, “It’s like when I touch you. Part of you is like, ‘Whoa! This guy is older than me.’ and all the social programming, like news and tv ans shit has you believing that’s true. But then there’s the other half of you that likes it and thinks it’s hot. I can tell, you’re the type of girl who has innocence and shyness, but then there are times where you probably have gotten pretty fuckin wild, crazy and naughty and let loose and those are some of the best, most memorable times you’ve had.

Like I bet some of the shit that you think about in your mind, like.. it’s fucking some crazy, wild shit that if you told your best friends about it they’d be like Holy Shit! But that’s what I like about you. You have this sweet innocent side and then you have this naughty side to balance it out. That’s hot. I can appreciate that because at times I’m like that too.”

So breaking this down I instruct her what she is to be like around me, then I connect it to me and tell her I like it. Done. Then I just moved on to talking about sexual stuff for the rest of the dinner. Going back it’s simply amazingly hot to see this super shy girl at dinner, and then finding out just how fucking naughty and dirty she is/was when we were together. Jesus, this girl was doing all sorts of shit, shaking her ass in my face so I could watch, naughty stripper shit in my house, I mean not to mention all the actual sexual stuff we did. It’s just amazing how that works because it’s TRUE. All these girls these days have the naughty side, it’s just OUR responsibility to bring it out. Safe?

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Do you think that bc she’s already a bit of a punk-rocker that she is more open to things like dating a 39 year old then maybe a 21 year old sorority girl?

That’s a good question. She told me repeatedly I was NOT her type. (I don’t know if I’m any girl’s type lol). She said she usually likes the young, effeminate, slim, good looking types. Guys she mentioned a couple times as her type was:


Billie Joe, lead singer for Green Day


Robert Smith – Lead singer for the cure

and Edward Scissorhands (Johnny Depp). I am, in appearance and manner, not close to any of those cats. But it didn’t stop her from calling me sexy and hot a few times…

I bet, EVEN with a sorority girl it’s simply a matter of pulling her out of her world and into yours. A sorority girl may be all about fitting into her social mode, but I’m sure it could be done. This is why, for a guy like me, Daygame is the shit. I can catch these girls AWAY from their social circle, and environment. If I were the 39 year old dude in a College bar those girls might have a hard time being converted to fucking me, at least in front of their peers, however, if we can keep it on the downlow and bring her into our world, I see no reason why it can’t be done. I will have to experiment more I suppose and maybe target some sorority type chicks.

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Was there any expectation of spending money on her, and did you spend money on her? (not to question beta-ness at all — I’m just curious how the scene looks and how expectations are).

Well I do what I want. Here’s the plan as I see it. We talked about getting wine because I wanted to chill with her and I tend to like having a drink or 2 with chicks I go out with. Not to get drunk, but to get the social lube thing going. It’s (for better or worse) been part of my seductions since way back. I am the guy with candles, and incense and cool music and wine and that’s my bag. She is vegan and so I thought to myself after the first date (ok. I need to get her to my place. She doesn’t turn 21 for a couple of days so where can I take her that is Vegan, byob, close to my place, etc. So I did a little research and we found this cool Ethiopian place.

I spent $6 on the wine, and maybe 30 bucks on food. I said this in my other post about the texts but I ascribe to the belief that David X has which is if you want to buy the chick drinks or dinner fucking do it. But in order to do so you have to be Alpha about it. You pick the place, you pay, you take responsibility and you don’t do it to buy her favor, you do it because you want to do it.

And so, I do. But she offered dutch, and when we went to Chicago Diner a couple days ago she actually paid. But when she offered dutch I said no. Very Alpha in a very backwards way. I took her out to eat, and I owned it. I knew going into dinner I would be going to my place next and fucking her. This was not to BUY her favor or time, it was strategic and logistical.

But would I say she had expectations about money being spent? Nope. I led the entire time. Date 1 – no money spent. Date 2 and the close, maybe $40. But I can say this, there have been younger chicks I banged that I spent almost no money on. One comes to mind that I knew that we had 1 drink at the bar and then back to my place for sex. It was my fastest close ever. I think we were fucking with a total of 30-45 minutes of face time and I spent maybe $6 on her Jack and Coke.

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Congrats again man — I know I just nailed a 21 year old and I really felt like I was getting something extra young and tasty and I loved it… and I’m only 28. I can only imagine how much better it must feel for you. Major props!

Ya man. She’s one of my favorites.. But then again… I say that about all of them… But then again, I think that’s because I MEAN that about all of them. There’s something about picking high quality chicks and then !closing them, having them dig you and digging them back that feels really good. I know I may never see her again since she’s flying back to Florida, but that’s short time is one of the stories I hope I can look back to when I’m and gray and replay in my memory banks.

I’ll tell you this much, it’s the shit like this that makes all the hard work, rejections, loneliness, frustration, going out and sucking all that blah blah in the early stages (the shit that so many guys we see -come and go- being conquered by), and even mid stages, that makes all that fucking hard work so worth it.

This is why I try to tell people, man, it’s not an easy game, but NEVER give up, because one day this shit really does pay off. I can safely say pretty much ALL of the chicks I get with these days are chicks I REALLY like. That’s a cool motherfucking feeling to have.

1 more FYI. After the FB exchange below she came back, we hung out, and we fucked again anyway…

ZZoozm

« Reply #107 on: January 31, 2013, 01:14 PM » Quote

Congrats on the LR, but don’t you think you are over-analyzing this a bit and backwards rationalizing too much of what you THINK worked?

You are focusing

only on your age as the obstacle/the negative….

but have you ever thought that to a 20 year old who is ADD and hasn’t seen much of the world you are amazing because….

you appear to have your shit together, have a cool job, have money, have your own place, have stories about life….

ZZoozm2

« Reply #108 on: January 31, 2013, 01:41 PM »

Not so much looking at my age as a negative. When I say it’s refreshing to pull another young chick, it’s like I have a clock in myself that is ticking and each young girl resets it. Most of my lays have been probably girls in the 20-28 region. I remember a time when I was like, “Every girl I pull is 23. Wtf?”

I didn’t even start gaming till I was 31 – from SCRATCH (well, maybe like 10 to 13 lays). So I have always been pretty good at getting girls younger than me.

That being said, I feel it’s always important to break down what happened. I don’t think shit together, money, etc, would have been enough to reframe this chick (Texts, In-Person resistance) and get her back to my house and naked. Trust the Tech. Sometimes I think some guys try TOO hard to say, “You don’t need Tech at all, just be yourself!”

However, the tech fucking works. I agree with the “get out of your own way” stuff, but I think it ONLY works when guys have taken the time to internalize the Tech. Then it becomes a balance. Maybe some guys who’ve been in it for a while forget that. They think they are the same person they were at day 1, not using the tech at all, and have just magically figured out how to get out of their own way, but… BUT I tend to doubt that’s the case.

I’m willing MORE to bet that after seeing and experiencing things working again and again those things just stuck – Conscious vs Unconscious Competence.

Take a total noob and tell him, “Get out of your own way.” It WONT WORK – he needs the tech to make that journey and experience to make it happen.

PS – The End 😉

The Seduction of Rainbow Dash Part 3

Tsod:

This is where I continue the stylishly cool journal type conversational thread ala Bram Stoker’s Dracula about the Seduction of Rainbow Dash.  If you’re like, “WTF is this shit?” feel free to check out The Seduction of Rainbow Dash part 1 and part 2.  We Start with a reply from someone about what you would have read in those last two articles, from the Super Secret Message Board I am a member of.  For fun and for ease of reading I will make my replies in Italics.

« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2013, 06:08 PM »

That’s why, I believe to number close few chicks, when going out. Decreases needs of dealing with BS situations like that. Anyway good job Ronnie.

« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2013, 01:52 AM »

BS – – – ? The best and most fun stuff is playing this kind of game; especially when…

Well. Especially when we end up back at my place in my bed completely naked doing naughty shit to each other

But ya, man. That texting was fun. So was dealing with her other shit. She’s 21. If a guy thinks a quality 21 year old chick is not going to give them shit to have to bypass then that guy probably hasn’t slept with many.

In the long run, she has/had fabulous titties, ass, legs, yummy vagina and more. So to me a little text battle is WELL worth the payout. Dude… She’s SOOOOOoooo Sexy.

So EVERYONE have hope- This 39 year old dude, Not like Hot and Sexy and In Amazing Shape, but probably an Average in appearance 39 year old dude, just got with a 21 year old who said guys CONSTANTLY hit on her.

I’m twice her age. FYI. I don’t ever want to hear ANY excuses from anyone why you can’t hook up with this chick or that.

« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2013, 10:58 AM »

One quick cliff note anyone can use TONIGHT.

LMR/Buyer’s Remorse destroyer (Credit Sonics) – You say to the girl when you are starting to get hot and heavy, “No matter what we do tonight, promise me it wont be the last time we see each other.”

Use your own words. There isn’t a magic phrase. I might have even said, “…promise me it wont be the last time we chill..” or “promise me we’ll hang out again after this.” Whatever makes sense when you say it. Of course, Don’t say it if you don’t wanna see the chick again, because it works!

LMR is GONE. And if you want to see the chick again you Win. For a LOT of chicks you can turn them into repeat customers.

Text from this morning (If you like the chick (wanna see her again) and you get sex action going on you should DEFINITELY send her a follow up text or call the next day, as well.)

Me: Had fun last night, brat. Have a good day

Her: Thanks Cutie 🙂 You too

Something about having a sexy 21 year old chick calling me cutie that floats my ego a little…

« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2013, 12:23 PM »

Well, txting as such is definitely fun, if you got time… Something, I’m lacking recently This is definitely a true PUA skill, not to downgrade you, but 39 hooking up with 21 year old, is like a typical L.A story, where young chicks hook up with older guys with money. You did it simply using skills, so kudos ( I assume you’re not a millionaire )

« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2013, 02:14 PM »

Quote from: Ronnie L-Train on January 25, 2013, 01:52 AM
If a guy thinks a quality 21 year old chick is not going to give them shit to have to bypass then that guy probably hasn’t slept with many.

Great point. I’m in LA right now, where there’s an incredible amount of hotties. I’ve also never seen so much shit from chicks. It’s ridiculous. I mean if you pass a chick on the street and just say a friendly social “hi”, they will NEVER respond.

Anyways, great re-frame in the texts. Especially when she started turning around – you didn’t bite initially and went with “however”. But also at that point you didn’t push her away too much. I’m definitely going to learn from that.

Here’s my question: how long was your response time to her texts? Often when I’m texting I’ll feel that what I initially want to respond with isn’t good, so I have to take time thinking up something better…

« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2013, 02:59 PM »

Well, L.A is a different lifestyle. Priorities for people over there’s nice car, clothing or hair. In Chicago for instance, people rather spend money on the nice house, than a brand new luxury car. Over there’s Hollywood, Beverly Hills, so go figure. Night Game, however, (and keep in mind, I only did one night of gaming there) is quite easy. Girls were really responsive, I’d say even more than in Chicago.  I couldn’t close for logistical reasons (I had a job training at Long Beach, and hotel was booked there, so quite a distance), but I believe it was doable.

« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2013, 03:51 PM »

Quote from: ********** on January 25, 2013, 12:23 PM
Well, txting as such is definitely fun, if you got time… Something, I’m lacking recently This is definitely a true PUA skill, not to downgrade you, but 39 hooking up with 21 year old, is like a typical L.A story, where young chicks hook up with older guys with money. You did it simply using skills, so kudos ( I assume you’re not a millionaire )

Yes, just skills. And this was no easy feat. When I started Kino last night she called me on it. “Why are you touching me every chance you get!?”

Lots of frame control. And then we got into a conversation about how she though I was so much older than her and she thought it was weird for me to be touching her. All it took was for me to get her talking about other guys she has hooked up with. She admitted that she dated a guy for a while (but never slept with him, it sounded like) who was 35. So once I got that out of her I was like “blah” and where I used to dive in, back in the day, and try and focus on and fix the resistance, I just danced around it and went right back into talking about sexual stuff.

At first she was shy, we were in a restaurant with almost no one there and her social programming was like, “I’m not sure I feel comfortable talking about this in public.”

And I gestured to the empty tables and referred to the nice Ethiopian lady and said, “You mean all these people listening in on our conversation, and our waitress who barely speaks English?”

So more and more we started talking about sexual stuff. It’s hot, because these younger girls seem so much more experienced a lot of times than women who are my age. Maybe it’s porn but they always do something sexually that surprises me, that I’m like “where did this girl fucking learn this stuff?”

Anyway, no… No money. And I don’t think it’s the classic LA story with these Chicago girls at all. I could easily think back to times where I would have failed miserably at a chick like this. Frame control, reframing, dealing with shit-tests, being quick on my feet and lots of leading. I’ve closed lots of chicks up till now, and I can tell you this could easily have been fucked up at so many points during this interaction it’s not even funny. This is one of the ones worth writing about because it was so difficult.

L.A. Story – one of my favorite movies back in the day…

Quote from: ******on January 25, 2013, 02:14 PM
Quote from: Ronnie L-Train on January 25, 2013, 01:52 AM
If a guy thinks a quality 21 year old chick is not going to give them shit to have to bypass then that guy probably hasn’t slept with many.

Great point. I’m in LA right now, where there’s an incredible amount of hotties. I’ve also never seen so much shit from chicks. It’s ridiculous. I mean if you pass a chick on the street and just say a friendly social “hi”, they will NEVER respond.

Anyways, great re-frame in the texts. Especially when she started turning around – you didn’t bite initially and went with “however”. But also at that point you didn’t push her away too much. I’m definitely going to learn from that.

Here’s my question: how long was your response time to her texts? Often when I’m texting I’ll feel that what I initially want to respond with isn’t good, so I have to take time thinking up something better…

At first with the girls I make them wait. Even this chick, we did some texting before the text example above, but in that case it was more pinging, fun texts and just me keeping myself on her radar. In that case if they are responding I will wait a LONG TIME to actually respond. I don’t want to make text a conversation, but I do want to use it to keep me in her mind.

Look at it this way, if you say something fun, and she responds, then she is waiting for you to respond. Now chicks are WAY better at this than we are IMO – you will never see chicks (cute, sexy ones anyway) doing dumb shit like texting, then texting you again to double check their text;

IE:

“What are you doing tonight?”

“Oh, well I hope you’re not too busy because it would be nice to see you.”

Or some shit guys might do. But still, the whole time we make them wait you are at LEAST in the back of her mind. That means on some level, she is thinking about you.

But then sometimes I’ll reply once or twice pretty quick. I like to keep in mind Raccoon Theory. Always keep them guessing. If you ALWAYS do the same thing she will expect it. So Change it up. Actually the more she seems invested in a response from you the LONGER I would make her wait for that answer. Always try to end the text on a high note so when she’s thinking about you it’s a good thing, expectation, not a bad thing.

In the case of her flaking texts, I responded not like too fast but at the same time just matched her response time. Look, if she wasn’t interested AT ALL she would have never even texted me in the first place. There was a part of her that wanted to hang out on some level, maybe even on some deep level. That doesn’t mean she would have, if my text game wasn’t on point she just simply would have backwards rationalized, “Yep, that guy sucked. I’m glad I didn’t go out with him.”

The text convo from above was her LAST CHANCE to me and there was a time I for sure would have blown it, and I am of the belief that MANY, MANY guys would blow it as well.

I mean, I’m pretty sure in many places it’s STILL community Dogma that, “If a chick tried to flake on me I NEXT HER! My time is very valuable as the Alpha Male and I don’t have time for Flaky Chicks.”

However the women I’ve talked to, including LESBIANS, have informed me that Flakiness is actually to be expected. It’s NORMAL. So guys who are saying, “I don’t have time for these flaky women,” are probably either not getting any ass OR if they are they are only used to getting (to coin a cool Chicago Lair phrase )the Low Hanging Fruit. The whole Alpha Male shit about Nexting a Flaky Bitch comes from Inexperience and Overcompensating the lack there of, with trying to make oneself feel like an Alpha Male; when in reality it’s just protecting one’s fragile ego and feelings.

You can’t Next a girl you never fucked. ~Tyler Durden

So when it came to the text convo above she was responding rather quick and so I could as well. But the SLOW texting that I was doing before probably made this MORE possible being that I wasn’t coming across as the “needy, clingy guy who always texts alot”.

Make Sense?

« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2013, 04:45 PM »

Ronnie, did you go dutch at the restaurant or did you pay?
Also did you pick her up (via car)?

Just curious.

« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2013, 05:13 PM »

I paid. I wanted to go eat out. That was the plan.

To help you understand my philosophy on this, I have heard many different beliefs and it comes down to what David X once said:

It’s not about whether or not you buy her drinks or dinner or whatever, it’s HOW you do it and WHY you do it.

I didn’t buy dinner to impress her, I bought her dinner because I wanted to go out to eat… So I picked a cheap Ethiopian BYOB very close to my place…

David X Quotes, “I don’t give a shit what she does with her dinner. As far as I’m concerned I bought it for her. She can eat it, or pick at it or throw it on the floor. What the fuck do I care? I bought it for her, I don’t give a shit what she does with it at that point.” When talking about a date he was on where the chick was picking at her salad instead of eating it, and commented about it.

To me, if I want to take a chick to go eat, that’s the choice I made. I think a guy who AVOIDS going to dinner because he feels it’s supplication is NO BETTER off than the guy that supplicates to the chick and pays for her shit expecting something in return. (Wrap your mind around that one… )

Oh and I ALWAYS drive if I can. But if you don’t have a car most definitely plan your date close to home OR Cab > Train/Bus.

Next:  The Finale….. Stay Tuned!~

Sidecar:

Of COURSE this post reminded me of a cool ass movie I used to watch when I would substitute being lonely with Romantic Comedies …

If you haven’t seen it, though, watch this movie anyway.  L.A. Story is the Shit!

I’ll actually probably watch it tonight for fun.

My favorite line from the Movie:

Sara:  It’s nothing that some sleep and a good fuck wouldn’t cure, as my sister used to say.  (You have to see the scene to really appreciate this line.)