Day2 Scrum – Dating How-To Mini Guide for Men

This is a scrum of ideas I posted once, and is more based on a guy who already has a decent skillset, is getting dates, knows all the basics, but is having some trouble when it comes to converting Day2s into a close.  If you are looking for a complete date guide this might not be for you.  There are plenty of guides and sources out there you can learn the basics from.  Sometimes we gotta step things up for the guys who are maybe a tiny bit more on the experienced side.

First of all, let’s get right into the basics – NO DINNER!!!!

It becomes too much of an interview.  Food makes people tired.  You will become the next guy who took her out to eat.  I have heard several women tell me they will go out with a guy at least once to get a ‘Free Meal’ even if they’re not sure they like you.

So NIX the food for the most part, unless you want to save a few bucks and do a Byob!  In that case make sure you make it clear to her, “I’m not really that hungry but I could nibble on something.  Let’s go get an app to share.”  or something like that.  Don’t make FOOD the central theme.

I’m telling you.  The times I spend the most money are the times I DO NOT get laid.  You have to be careful with some girls.  They will eat and drink and want you to spend your money and get mad if you don’t.

There is one time that comes to mind that a girl got pissed because she offered to pay and I let her but if you got a chick like that, who fucking cares.  You want her to want you, not want what you can pay for.

But BALANCE this.  Don’t be a stingy, cheapass either.  It’s tough sometimes, but it takes social calibration.  If you invite someone out to drinks it doesn’t make sense to say, “I just invited you here to drink but now you have to pay for your own shit.”

It’s like my friend in Highschool who would had a car and would call me and say, “hey man, I’m going to ‘such and such’ a place.  You should come with me!” and then once we were rolling he would ask for Gas Money.

Girls talk about everything!  They will talk to you with their friends and people whom you’ve never met and if you come across as a cheap ass to even one of those friends you’re done.

FOOD Exceptions:

The 2 exceptions that come to mind that involve day2s and Food or Dinner are as follows:

1.  You can meet a girl to a bar WALKING DISTANCE by your place, grab some appetizers to nibble, making sure you nibble light and she doesn’t slam down the food.  Then you have maybe 1 drink and nibble the food and say, “Hey, let’s go check out this other place.” Make sure you get a doggy bag for the food and take it with you. On the way to the next place, you say, “I don’t want to carry this around all night…  I’m gonna drop this in my fridge real fast.”

Then you walk with her to your place, and assuming things are going ok and she actually likes you, she comes in with you.  First thing you do is put the food in the fridge, pour her a glass of wine and yourself, NOT FULL, just like half a glass so it doesn’t seem like you are pre-planning this, but at the same time it’s enough where she will have to take a minute to drink it, then start chatting.  You don’t have to get right on top of her shit, you can sit a few feet away at first, and, AS ALWAYS, make sure that she is hopefully sitting somewhere positioned where she can EASILY get to the door and YOU ARE NOT BLOCKING her path.  Why?  Because subconsciously this sends a message to her that you’re the safe, cool, not needy guy you are, and that you are SAFE.  You want a girl to be and feel safe at all times, even in the subtlest ways, because a guy who gets plenty of ass and loves women would do most of these thing unconsciously.  That’s why women love him… 😉

Then you can escalate.

2.  Dinner at your place – You make her DINNER.  For me, this usually means going classy style.  Sure, you can cook some bullshit and it can do the trick, but honestly there was something I heard on a Joe Rogan Podcast (if anyone knows about the specifics of that podcast like which one it is, feel free to let me know in the comments) where these guys talked about how if you feed a woman certain things that it can release certain feelings in her like, “Wow, this food is so amazing that life must be abundant, safe, awesome, fantastic – I can relax and breed.”  In that case the guy talked about making some home made ice cream that was really rich – maybe paleo with a lot of creme or butter or something, I can’t recall.

But in MY case, I like to approach this from multiple sides.  A.  I will make her cocktails if I can, or have red wine if you’re not that creative or feeling lazy.  Not white wine.  White wine reminds women of brunch or hanging out with their friends.  Red wine is seductive, has a nice warm buzz, and is associated with romance and sex and being naughty.  But if you have cocktail skills, like I do, then you can REALLY wow her and make some badass, classy cocktails. I like something like an Espresso Martini, or maybe an Old Fashioned, or if it’s winter you can get her really wet and make a Blue Blazer.  Basically something she can sip on and enjoy, not shots or bullshit party drinks.  Yes, you can make her margaritas or some nonsense but you’re not hanging out with some sloppy club slut and getting ready to do lines of coke..  I mean if you are then that’s a completely different style of game, and this whole post is irrelevant.  But if you are a classy, seductive guy then …  keep it classy.

Then B. Have her help you cook.  Don’t have her just sitting there like you’re her servant and she’s waiting to see how you can impress her.  You’re going to impress her anyway.  I like to make Carbonara.  I might have her cut garlic or bacon or something.  Pretend it’s like you’re on a cooking show.  Have fun with it.  Correct her. “Cut the bacon a bit smaller/larger.  Wait, you have to slice the garlic like ‘this’.”  But do it in an interactive, light hearted, fun way. Think James Bond.

C.  Again, I like to make Carbonara because it seems to have that effect.  All that cream, and cheese and pasta and bacon are going to go right to her brain and announce to her body, “Holy shit.  Life is AMAZING.  We are safe.  We are in the perfect position to rest, relax and even mate.  Let’s do it!”  All that goodness is going to release the itis and if you are escalating while you have been cooking and even eating, but not all hardcore or sloppy like, she will be DTF or at least get the heavy fool around going down.

Ok, enough about food.  PS. I don’t recommend LEARNING how to escalate or close the deal by practicing with food dates.  Newer guys will most likely be a bit clumsy to deal with all the details.

Out on the Town:

Now then if you’re out and about and not doing the dinner thing.  Bounce to 2 places ONLY.  GO NEAR YOUR PLACE!!!!  Nope, seriously.  It’s easier.  Yes you can close at random places but why make it hard on yourself?  Choose a place that is moderately busy but with some people.  DON’T pick a very busy place.  Keep the distractions to a minimum

Venue 1 – Drink 1 Drink ONLY.  Do not get seconds.  If she goes to order a second drink then politely cut her off and suggest, “Actually let’s get a drink somewhere else.  There’s this other cool place I wanna check out.”

Venue 2 – Drink maybe two at the most.  Do not let her get too many drinks in her.  Trust me.  If you can keep it low then you’re good to go.  I recently had a day2 where the chick had too much wine and from 1 bar to the next she INSTANTLY went from Liking me A LOT, kissing, sexual fun vibe, to BITCH because she was an angry drunk.   That reminds me:  DO NOT SIT AT THE BAR.

Read that again.

DO NOT SIT AT THE BAR.

Find a booth or a nice quiet little table.  Get intimate and private.  No distractions.  .

Ya (guys may argue with this but that’s because they’re trying to sound cool) the problems associated with sitting at the bar are…

Distractions from TV
Distractions from girls
Distractions from guys
Distractions from couples
Distractions from Bartenders
If she is a shit tester she may try to get the bartender to side with her during a debate – Guy or Girl bartender will most likely side with her just because…
She may feel more uncomfortable kinoing or getting a sexual vibe going at the bar.

PS – My day 2 game is AMAZING.  I feel than almost any chick I get out with me will end up naked in my bed.  NOW there are always exceptions to this rule but I have a high consistency rate because I am always learning from every little tiny mistake or contingency that takes place…  So the point is that YES you can be cool and do all this stuff however you want but I am trying to make things EAZY to get to point A to point F.

So make it easier.  After Venue 2 head to venue 3…  (by the way this is easier if you are walking the who time, not driving) but on the way to this imaginary venue 3 make up an excuse you need to stop at your place.

Restroom and the bar’s is gross…
maybe you do order a little food and don’t want to carry the box around all night. (like we mentioned above)

Make it light and make it random.

Have wine on hand or some other alcohol.  music is good too.  “i’ll be just a minute…  Want some wine?”

If she’s there she’s on but it’s still up to you.  You have to play cool.

Push and pull and vibe her.  If you get close and are touching and the sexual tension is hot and she gets a little uncomfortable, pull away and move away from her nonchalantly.  You should actually be push-pulling kino from the get go of the entire day2.

Let me see if I can break down my day 2 game in a very basic form:

Talk, Talk, Touch, Grope, Talk, Talk, More Groping, Talk about Groping and Touching, Tell her I like her and WHY (the most important part, but the part so easy to forget – “You know why I like you? Because not only are you incredibly sexy but you (mention things you like about her personality), more groping (when I say groping I mean groping. Legs, stomach, back, ass, boobs, yes all in public and blatant. For a buffer you can always entrap her into starting it if you get the opportunity i.e. She goes to put her arm around your back and on the way brushes your ass. You say, “You trying to grab my ass?” She will probably protest. You say, “No it’s ok, Go ahead.” with a smile. Once she does it, it’s game on.) Talking is a buffer for you to touch her. I didn’t get this for such a long time. The key is getting over your fear of touching her and just going. I EVEN get my hands pushed away several times on date. I used to think that was bad. It’s NOT.

Pitfall and Contingency: 

I forgot to mention I do tend to overuse preselection in my talking. Preselection is powerful shit. If you thread your stories with adventures of you and other girls she will know you’re a sexy guy it’s ok to get down with. Of course, like anything, it can be overused. On last nights date I came up with the PERFECT way to reframe once she calls me on it. What I’m saying is, I want to thread myself as a guy who gets action and dates alot. ONCE a chick starts to like you she will say something like, “I don’t want to hear about all these other girls.” So last night I said, “Good. I’m glad it took you this long to actually say that, because I had to make sure you weren’t going to be one of those creepy, jealous, cling-on chicks. It took you a while to call me out on talking about other girls so that’s good.” And then you do not have to do preselection stories anymore. She knows you’re a hot stud. 😉 Now kiss her on her face and put your arms around her and grab her ass with both hands.

I feel like I want to elaborate on getting my hands pushed away AND it being ok. Mostly experienced guys can skip this. This part is for newer guys. If she is OBVIOUSLY not happy when you touch her and she is pushing your hands away like, “get off me creep.” then, in that case it is NOT ok to keep touching her, but most likely she will leave anyway. If she does like it she may still give you shit but she’ll probably be smiling when she removes my hand from her boob, call me bad (i love to hear this) or at the very least she will have an unemotional, straight face and say something more aggressive like, “You sure touch alot.” HERE’S the screen I’m looking for. IF she says she doesn’t like it when guys touch her – she means she’s doesn’t like it when YOU touch her. Say, “that’s too bad cuz I love touching.” And if she has a problem with it, well in this case it’s ok to use the term NEXT.  Why waste time on the Mic? But also this is a good way to learn to fractionate a little when you first start touching her.

This is my little scrum of thoughts on a good day2.  By no means in this a complete guide but, perhaps, it will help you to fill in some holes you may have.  Maybe newer guys will hurt their head a little reading this but for you guys who have been out there, I’m pretty sure a lot of these things will make sense to you.

Good luck!

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Step Through That Window – How to Skyrocket Your Success With Dating and Relationships

So I got into a little discussion on twitter.  There is an article about a study that was done by @Single_N_Dating  that suggests that:

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This inspired me to write a LONG thought about article that will be SUPER POWERFUL for guys at intermediate to advanced level if they can learn to take advantage of what I am about to share here.  This is NOT something that I think anyone else out there is really talking about, and has come from a LOT of time in field and having a LOT of successful as well as unsuccessful interactions.

In reference to the twitter comment above: Since I think relationships are not really well known or talked about (just like getting sexual) by most “Guru’s” in the Pickup and Seduction community, probably because it’s not something most of them have a lot of actual experience with (that’s another story – and the same reason, IMO so many of them don’t really discuss getting sexual that often – not to bag on all the guys coaching or teaching this stuff, there are some guys (albeit very few) who have some GREAT stuff that teaches getting sexual – I have reblogged a few of them in the past. Will list some at the bottom for your perusal.) I have been inspired to share this with you – since this post is both powerful for creating relationships AS WELL AS helping you escalate ANY PART of the interaction to the next level.

So let’s get into it with some EXAMPLES of MISSING the WINDOWS:

The first time I remember noticing this was once after I had an awesome 3 days with a burlesque dancer, and she called me telling me how she really liked me; “I REALLLLY Like you…” she said over the phone.  Then she proceeded to ask me if she could come over and spend the night.  I was pretty good at game back then, but I was kinda inexperienced with relationships.  Basically I was a little over-gamee and figured the way to make her want me more was to DENY her coming to see me.  Sometimes game is great, other times it can kill any attraction a woman has for you.  But that’s why we go out and practice this stuff.  So I told her, “no..  I can’t tonight.”

Well, soon things were done.  The attraction was over, she stopped calling me and I couldn’t even get her out on a date.   This was a girl who just got done exclaiming to me how much she really liked me, and now she wasn’t even interested.  How did that happen?

It’s because when she asked to come over, she opened that window for me to take things to the next level.  I didn’t bite.  That was her spontaneous self expressing, “Hey, I like you, let’s make this something more.”  And to her, MY self said, “No, I’m not interested. Sorry…”  Even though that’s not really what I said, she took it that way, and there was no going back.  Window opened and closed – never to open again.

Another time I was with a girl.  I fucked her at her house.  I REALLY liked this girl too.  It was the third time we got together.  She asked me to spend the night.  I had an old dog at that time, and I loved him.  And I knew he was on his last legs, and I worked all the fucking time so I wanted to be there for him as much as possible.  I didn’t want him to be alone at night.  So i couldn’t stay the night.  I told her this exact reason. 

A couple days later she texted me she had a lot going on and couldn’t see me anymore.  She opened that, “Let’s take things further” window and I failed to step through.  She didn’t hear anything about a dog.  She SPONTANEOUSLY FELT that MOMENT, Opened the window and I failed to step through, so that window CLOSED never to open again.

I never saw that girl again.

Recently I was dealing with some health issues.  I had a girl who I just closed, and she also started to like me.  She called me one day after I talked to her on the phone and told me she wanted to come see me after work.  Because my health issues were fucking me up, I didn’t call her back.  Guess what?  Same story.  She sort of disappeared off the map.  When she FELT that SPONTANEOUS urge to reach out and take things to the next level, she opened that WINDOW and I failed to step through, never to have that window open again.

A long time ago I was with a girl and was escalating.  She was resisting a little.  But then we had a nice It’s On Moment in a book store (in the children’s section of all places lol) where we started making out.  She said, “Weren’t you saying something about going back to your place?”  I decided to PUSHwhen I should have PULLED and said something like, “Maybe…  We’ll see what happens.”  And guess what?  We never ended up back at my place.  When I tried to pull her back later she said it was getting late and that she had to work the next day.  I never ended up fucking her.  When that SPONTANEOUS window opened, I didn’t step through and it closed FOREVER.

Same thing happened to a Wingman of mine who opened a chick in daygame.  She was clearly giving him the signal that if he would have escalated they would have probably had sex.  I left them hinting that I wanted to let them be isolated, but within 5 minutes he came over alone.  I told him he could have fucked her, and it totally dawned on him, “Ya.  I could have.”

When he went back to try and re-initiate with the girl he said she acted Weird and unresponsive.  That’s right, you guessed it.  When she FELT that SPONTANEOUS moment and he didn’t take advantage she chalked it up to her imagination, felt that he MUST NOT be the guy she thought he was (incongruence) and when he tried to reopen that window she felt WEIRD about it.

EXAMPLES – Doing it Right!

Once I was on a date with a chick (who to this date still has the record of biggest natural boobs on a chick I had sex with.  Oh how I miss them.)  We were walking from the coffeeshop to the bar next door.  I felt the MOMENT that I should kiss her.  I went, out of the blue, for the kiss.  She DENIED me.  She said she wasn’t ready yet.  However, at the end of the night when I walked her to her car, we started making out hardcore.  Soon she was asking, “Where did you park?  I’ll walk drive you to your car.”  Then she wanted to listen to music I had mentioned earler and asked if I had some in my car…

Anyone with any experience at this game knows what that means… For those of you who don’t (or are just literalists) she wanted to fuck me in my car.  Oh the glory of seeing her laying back on my car seat with those huge boobs out for the first time!  😉

On a date with a girl, who said she wanted a cigarette, but we were only on our FIRST DRINK on our date.  I felt like that was a hint from her to me, because we were just talking about sexuality.  I suggested we go to my place, because she could smoke there and it was only a couple blocks away. She smoked her cigarette and soon she was giving me what I still consider the best blowjob of my life and she had one of the most amazingly clean and yummy vaginae (I still can’t get over the plural of the word vagina). I have ever came across.

A girl was at my place and she said pretty early on, “I am NOT fucking you.”  But she stuck around and kept shit-testing me while we drank some wine.  I kept escalating despite her resistance but she STAYED.  That whole thing was a WINDOW.  She kept it open as long as I was stepping through and within an hour or so she said, “Why don’t you just fuck me already and get it over with.”  If I would have took her resistance at face value and stopped escalating (PS for those of you playing at home, this is not the weird Rapee escalation shit so many feminists are yammering about.  It is simply verbal sparring, touching a little but push pulling, maybe some RJ style escalation patterning, and always giving her the OPTION to leave.  I always sit in a place where the girl has an easy way out.  That shows her subconsciously you are not trying to corner her.  I always sit so she has EASY access to the closest door out, and even in this case when she said, “I’m not fucking you tonight.” I simply replied, “Well I don’t know what you’re doing here then.  If there’s 0% chance of us fucking you may just want to go home so we both don’t waste any time.”

Her response was, “I’m not passing up an opportunity to drink some good wine.”

That was her opening the WINDOW.  It was my job to step through.  

A girl I was serving once back in the day when I was a server, gave me her facebook at my suggestion because I was working and figured it would be too much to get her number while serving her.  (Calibration is a powerful thing.)  Later she sent me a friend request that I accepted.  She lived in Marathon and I lived in Key West.  A couple days later I saw her Status Update on her wall, that was NOT addressed to me or anyone else in particular which said, “Heading to the Keys today to do a little sight seeing.”

I replied to her status, “Must be nice.  I’m working till tonight.”

She replied, “Well maybe I’ll stop by and say Hi when you’re off work.”

MOMENT.  She KNEW on some level what she was going for when she posted her status.  If I saw it or not would have made no difference to her, as an emotional creature.  The fact that I did, However, let her live in that SPONTANEOUS moment she created.  She opened a window I stepped through.  

When she showed up later to say, “Hi.” she was dressed to the 9’s in a summer dress, and done up.  My coworker asked me, “Do you know her?  She’s BEEAAUUTIFFULL!”

And that girl became my Long Term Girl for about 2 years.

I know this is a long post and there are a lot of examples, but this is because this element of game is VERY difficult for guys to learn and many times you will MISS these windows and not realize it until AFTER which is too late.  So, my purpose with these examples is to give your mind an in idea to grab onto so you can really learn something.  This is not something guys out there are teaching about because it takes a LOT of experience to see this kind of thing.

To break it down:

1.  Window Opens.

2.  Guys Steps Through or he doesn’t.

3.  Window closes never to open again.

What side of the window do you want to be on?

Comments, Questions, Concerns?

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Constant Kino 2.0 (Revisited)

I think this is a good clarification on Kino, and how to create that lasting, escalation type connection and keep it going.   If you’re wondering what all this is about, go back and read Constant Kino and A Short Cut Through Kino Escalation.  This is a followup to that post.

Here are some replies to that post from other forums.  I’ll post them and my responces to help clear up any questions you lurkers and other guys might have had.

REPLY #1
“Fascinating. I do have a few questions. So, what exactly do you mean by “constant” if you’re saying that it shouldn’t actually be constant? You need to touch her 50% of the time that you’re together, 90% but factor extra time when you’re not close enough to touch? Also, what type of touch would you recommend and in what proportion? Obviously you want to go easy on the sexy touch styles on non-sexy areas (slow and very lightly, regularly arrythmic, patterned pressure, etc. etc.). Comfortable touches like aren’t-we-awesome-friends would be the staple, but that’s a wide open field. Should your body language be more protective when you’re using this type of contact, or should you be more independent? What’s the objective in direct terms- is it to make the girl as comfortable as possible, or to make her enjoy your presence, or to feel intimate?

Good concept- I will use this.”

Thanks man,Kino

(I’m going to try to answer your questions, while also explaining it a little more.)
Sorry about the confusion, It should be constant… just not to the point where you are taking her everywhere you want to go…

Here’s the rule I use:
“If she’s close enough to touch her, I will.”
(Once you guys are comfortable with one another, you be the judge here (better to do than to think, assume attraction and comfort from the get go <someone that was right>)

By touch I mean ANY PART of my body is in CONTACT with any part of HER BODY.

I didn’t write my rule in the original post because I thought if some weird guy was reading it he’d be putting his weird paws all over a girl in weird ways and him not knowing what he’s doing is weeeird! Here’s a way to not be weird… be comfortable with being touched and be comfortable with touching a girl. Think of touch as “No big deal” and then you can start with the Constant Kino.

Ideally 100% of the time she’s in range and she’s being good. A lot of the time it just won’t seem right, like you just started hanging out with a girl and she’s giving you the not yet vibe. “Let’s see if you fit” or at most after about 30 minutes on the day 2 you should be very very close to having it 100%. (After car time if you drove together)

If you’re at a bar it’s really easy to get it. Try sitting with a set at a table and take up space… spread your legs while you’re sitting and have your legs/knees touching both girls in the set while you’re talking and listening to them talk; this sets up a neat interaction. Remember, it’s normal for YOU to be doing this. Not a rule; but to me it feels more natural to go Constant Kino on a re-open, if not on a day 2, on a day 2 she wants it Constant as much as you do.

You’ll also notice that even when you’re not talking directly to the girl even with the slightest form of this that the person will listen to you more intently, even if it’s been there for a few minutes.

Think of this, you’re at a table next to your target and in comes an interrupt or she starts talking to someone else. (Girls that are sitting are easier to pick up.) If your legs are spread and one of them is up against her leg, she knows you’re there and she likes the fact that it is touching her so why not let her talk to whomever she wants? You’re not claiming her; but it’s still decided. The fact that she doesn’t move the leg away should be enough for you to know. Stare Decisis <Latin for decision final or to stand by the decision> She’ll be back to you in a second if you were doing well before the interrupt. Now if some douche PUA (I’ll write PUA because natural or not he’s there to get your girl) comes into your set trying to impress his friends by swooping your chick and you feel that ignoring the guy isn’t in your best interest, proceed to normal befriending and if necessary AMOGing. (I like a combination of the both, sort of like push pull. <Swinggcat has a lot of good theory on push pull> Also note that a lot of the time these guys make great terrible wings). I’ve never had a real AMOG come into my sets, just douche’s. “Hey ladies can I buy you a drink?” … douche’s.

What type of touches would I recommend?

All kinds. You’re still going to have to escalate just keep it constant…

Aren’t-we-awesome-friends type touches?

I’ve never really hit the LJBF zone for too long, so yeah.

Protective touches?

No, not unless you have to push her out of the way of a speeding bus or similar.

Independent touching?

Yes definitely be independent. It shouldn’t bother you in the slightest if you see this as a playful game. I laugh when a girl wants me to stop; really, I chuckle and stop till later. If it’s getting late and the girl has been teasing me for an hour, I’ll get up and leave and say something like “this is too much for me, I’m gonna explode if I don’t leave” (a real take away, after all the little freeze outs <MM> then get up and leave. She’ll chase, I’ll give her one more chance for the full close, if she still doesn’t want to then maybe there’ll be a day 3. I haven’t gone past a day 3 without full monty since High school, I won’t. The real stuff happens after sex <All PUA’s to the best of my knowledge>

What’s the objective in direct terms?

I would say the point of this is to get her comfortable with touching you while at the same time having her actually like touching you. Pick up is two ways. You can then take it any direction you want by how you escalate the situation. La la la we like touching each other, Foreplay dry humping heavy petting with make outs, or experimental vibrating egg in her ass sex. It’s great for all types of relationships.

Thanks for your reply.

REPLY #2
“I gotta be the one ask bro, but doesn’t that Lance Mason pickup 101 already teach this idea to ppl? I mean he doesn’t call it constant kino but his examples straight from the Cliff’s list videos suggest kinoing the chick with a HI-5 and then grabbing the hand and holding it while you talk. OR directing her attention to something at the same time as you kino her (arm around back or shoulders) and continue talking to get that kino going then keeping it. Your technique and what he teaches sound very similar except he sort of suggests that if you are congruent you can do it right away; in other words if you’re “that guy” who just seems to touch people naturally then you can start extended kino from the start with a little calibration.

His idea is Kino as much as you can as early as you can for extended periods with the occasional mysery throwoff or pushaway but done more playful as opposed to dicky.

So I guess Im wondering, is there a difference and what are they or is it just your way of explaining the concept?”

Cool,

The idea behind this has been known for ever and a day. For me it started with PDA and my virginity girl back in High School… we always touched each other. Always. PDA couple of the world! People or not we were touching. Purpose or not, we were touching.

L Mason was onto something, and he’s probably pretty dope in field he most likely even uses Constant Kino; but I feel like his technique with the high five hand grab behind the back finger fan thing was made for flash, for students to say “WoW”, kind of like Mehow’s Pure Kino (both are awesome for demos)… I’m not talking smack here, these guys know their shit.

Kino 2There is nothing spectacular about what I’m trying to explain here… I really don’t believe I’ve ever read or heard anything about this before. So you’re in set and for some reason your knees are touching this girl? So what? Not at all intrusive, nothing big going on, low pressure, you’re not facing the girl, she’s next to you, the only thing is, is your knee is touching her at all times.

In my last reply I almost wrote that Constant Kino is all touching without touching (w/o using your hands). Can you see what I’m saying here? I didn’t write that because the idea behind this is in the name, Constant Kino is all Kino, at ALL TIMES, keep it Constant. You still can do whatever kino you were doing before just always be doing some kind. I’ve never read anywhere to be in set and have the toes of your shoes touching while you converse.

The base line of this kind of Kino would probably be called Proximity Kino in community terms. But the idea behind what I’m writing is to always be, constantly, at least having Proximity Kino going on.

At the beginning of my original post I wrote that people have most likely been doing this naturally for years, like those old couples that always touch, affectionate or just proximity, they’re touching. (I used old people because they’re just so darn cute and they’ve been around longer than the community.

Picture this, you walk into a girls apartment and she has 4 friends over and they are all hanging all over each other leaning this way and that one has her leg over two others while another has her head in ones lap watching TV, I’ve seen this in real life on a Friday night, crazy. That is Constant Kino. They’re not trying to hook up with each other, they just love touch, that feeling of belonging.

Call it whatever you want, Extended Kino, Continuous Kino, Infinity Kino, I personally like Constant Kino… Like when it all boils down there is still this constant that is always there, constantly. Mainly this idea was and is for me, I’m just sharing it with the few that pay attention.

I wrote this hoping to help guys, not to invent something new. However, I don’t believe it’s ever been explained as clear as this before. I’ve been writing about Constant Kino on targets since my first LR a year and a half ago, there should be a quite a few mentions on the DPUA site.

Kino as much as you can as early as you can?

Sure; but I’m saying after 30 minutes it never stops.

Thanks for the reply.

-Sonics