Captain Jack – Opening, Social Proof versus “Player in the Game” and Game Dynamics

This is a great Captain Jack repost from his blog way back in the day, which went down a while back (meaning this article has been LONG LOST – until now).  I preserved it for a while for myself, but decided to bring it back here so people can experience it for themselves, and so I can assign it to some of my students.  It’s kind of a long post, however this is one badass piece of theory and tech.  If you can read and implement this you can add a pretty advanced element to your game that will help you start to elevate your success in field.  The Game Dynamics alone are something that, once understood, will totally bring you into the Matrix.

Captain Jack popped back on the scene recently.  You can find his blog here:

http://www.getabeautifulgirlfriend.com/

Captain Jack – Opening and Social Proof versus “Player in the Game” 

Since I’m going out to meet and seduce women more and actually working on SPs I’ve done a bit more experimentation and then, OUTSIDE THE FIELD, analysis of what I’ve noticed versus what I expected versus what I want.

I noticed the other day I was only marginally interesting to the hot bartenders and wait staff until I started talking to cougar and the milf.

Normally, I explain this as Social Proof. It’s one of the communities favorite theories. And, it seems to explain a lot. Cialdini popularized it and the definition is people will be more likely to do what they see other people doing.

What about in the case of a normal bootcamp when guys are opening, but getting blown out or failing to get attraction… they still get more AIs after opening than when they don’t open. And, in this case you’d expect them to get blown out so much the first few times that they’d be done for the night due to all the negative social proof. But, that doesn’t happen.

So, what’s going on?

Let’s examine this a bit further…

Have you ever looked at a woman and thought it looked “hard” to approach her and you weren’t sure if you wanted to risk it. Then, some chode went and opened her and she was extremely nice to him and everything went fine. Then, you said to yourself, “Holy shit… I could do better than that chode” and you walked over and opened?

Have you ever seen a hot girl with a chode and thought, “Damn… how the fuck did he get her? I’m 10x cooler than that guy” and if you had a smooth chance you’d have attempted to flirt?

Both of the above have happened to me and others many, many times. Here’s another related question:

Did you know that guys have been blown out after approaching women, gone back in later, and had it bust wide open?

What I’m going to say is that Social Proof doesn’t explain the warm responses you get from approaching women when you’ve been seen in set OR you merge sets with pawns…

I think it has to do with how she categorizes YOU in relation to the Game being played. She’s not keying off of the ACTUAL responses of the other women (that’d be pre-selection) as much as she’s keying off the realization that you are playing the Game.

See, women know that this is a Game. The Game is find an attractive mate to have sex with!

In any game there are Players and Spectators. If you are not talking to women, approaching women or already with women then you are a Spectator until proven otherwise. (She may HOPE that you are a Player and give you AIs to find out.)

Why do AIs increase when women see you open? Simply because they realize you are a Player and so are they so it’s an invitation from one Player to another Player to engage in the Game.

What about opening sets with a woman with you? First, it demonstrates you’re a Player in two ways, the opening and you are already with a girl. Second, much like you look at a dude and think you could do better than that guy, the girl looks at the girl and does the same… except girls seem to be much more aggressive in this area than the average community male. An Hb3 WILL try to unseat a 9 or 10… whereas most dudes who feel outclassed will shy away and ask if she has any friends or something.

You are most likely missing a lot of AIs. Assume any eye contact is an AI for the time being and you’ll get a lot of real world experience around the subject. Also, many afc/PUAs have trouble with making or keeping eye contact so practice holding eye contact if you haven’t done those types of drills. Especially if this is a weak point because it just won’t be tolerated in set. If this is a weak point for you literally stare girls down until you don’t feel any pressure to look away. A few days/nights of this is usually all you need.

You can make the assumption that if you see one AI you’ve probably missed 2 or 3.

Now, this snowballs. You open a set, girls notice, they start changing their body language and giving you AIs. They look in your direction more. Other girls pick up on this… you open more, new girls pick up on it plus the old girls. Snowball.

(If you’ve ever been in a club with a celebrity or sports star you’ll notice this on steroids magnified by one hundred. You can hardly keep a woman’s attention when there’s a big celeb in proximity.)

As you move around girls will shift body language towards you. You’ll get Proximity AIs from all girl sets, etc.

(In my eCoaching bootcamp I discuss Parading girls… it’s the fastest way to warm up the entire venue. I have a saying that if you can Parade 3 times in a night you will most likely get laid. It is magical.)

Can’t this be described by Pre-Selection?

Again, only partially. See, pre-selection means the women were visibly and intensely attracted to you and the other women noticed it. We have PLENTY of examples of guys who have a lot of hot female FRIENDS who couldn’t get laid if their life depended on it. What is going on here? Well, though they are surrounded by hot girls they never show new girls they meet that they are in the game. They never show her that they know her Goals and move her across the barriers/obstacles to the win.

Don’t get me wrong Pre-Selection DOES help. But, what I’m talking about is something even before and more basic. I’m talking about girls giving AIs and becoming warm just based on her/their analysis that you are playing the same Game they are. Pre-selection comes later… it is “He’s in the same Game AND he’s obviously good at it” (Parading, which I mentioned above, activates Pre-Selection especially when multiple girls are paraded together or close together in the same night.)

EVERYBODY in the game hates wasting time. Females don’t want an opportunistic Spectator to suck up their time so they usually reserve their AIs for proven Players. Girls also intuitively know that if she can get one guy to open her then a few others will get more courage and open. Thus, more Players and more opportunity for her to win.

What about Celebrities?

Let’s analyze this a bit… Why do women like Celebrities? I can think of a bunch of reasons.

1. Money? Money doesn’t hurt BUT, it can’t ONLY be money. Pro PUAs have many, many super rich guys come to us for help. Many super rich end up as sugar daddies for hotties and those situations aren’t usually exclusive.

2. Looks? Well, women don’t have the same physiological responses to looks as men do. Their acceptable range of looks is MUCH wider and is weak enough that we can totally ignore it. (Provided your grooming and style is good). Plus, many Celebrities are dog ugly.

3. Status? A strong contributor. Society has conditioned us to treat celebs better. Even dudes want to meet other celebrity dudes.

4. An Assumed Player in the Game. This conditioning of status begins the SNOWBALL we talked about earlier. When you get the multiple girls visibly interested, the society conditioning of treating celebs as special plus the idea of bragging rights and money, then you have a lot of factors working together. It is deduced, assumed, that they are prime Players in the Game… thus, the females play all out.

The Case of the Man with Social Proof but Not a Player in the Game.

Take a guy out with 3 women. One of them is his wife, the other two are her sexy girlfriends. He has a wedding band on. Does he get massive AIs? No. He might get a few at first… some women are screwy and like to try and others may not have noticed the ring but after about an hour or two in the venue he is essentially invisible to the other Players.

I noticed this when I was out with FBs/Girlfriends. I’d get a LOT of AIs at first and after a bit I was essentially invisible again. Sure I was with a hot girl (social proof idea) BUT it was pre-empted because the girls realized I wasn’t in the Game.

So, I put the idea of Social Proof on the backburner as something that, while valid, only partially described what was happening and opt instead for the fuller idea of Player in the Game. It better describes what actually occurs in the field. Spectators, Players, Winners, Obstacles and Goals.

This also helps to mesh Sexual Framing with some of the more standard MM structured approach. Though, I usually avoid the standard Peacocking, Pawning, Social Proof/DHV routines (ex. the routine where you show you with pics with hot girls, doing cool shit, hanging with cool people), with this idea they start to make sense together.

When I open and start Sexual Framing I’m demonstrating I’m a Player in the Game… that we are both playing the same Game, that I value her Game Goal (finding a guy who can make her feel sexy and sexual) and I’m willling to carry it home (so to speak! haa).

Since I’ve gotten good at opening one or two sets, hooking and staying in for the long haul the other girls notice it… if the set busts or unravels, many girls in the vicinity have noticed the deep sexual attraction between me and the other girl and have me pegged. Opening any girl who witnessed that makes my set go that much easier.

She isn’t looking for Value or Social Proof, she’s looking for the man in her near Vicinity who is the best Player in the Game.

If you understand this it will lessen your worry about people seeing a set go bad. It won’t matter, by opening you’ll show everyone else you’re in the game.

P.S. You should also feel less pressure from others watching you open because Spectators don’t count! And, Male Players are too busy playing to notice or care! In fact, if anything they’re probably thinking of allying with you to give both of you better chances to win.

Captain Jack: Game Dynamics and “Player in the Game” = Elegance

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“Hmm I think this is boiling down to a bit of semantics and how you exactly define it. If I go to a bar with my hot female friends I get tons more AIs that if I go with my male buddies. Sure, if I don’t do anything about it then the AIs will die down over time (except for new girls entering the venue). But either way simply having hot girls with you gets you more interest than not, therefore scientifically proving that social proof is a contributory factor! It won’t get you laid (you’ll still have to open… duh!) but is sure as dandy helps!”

– comment by charliereay on “Opening and Social Proof Versus Player in the Game” post.

I am surprised I didn’t get more of these types of comments. When I published the post I expected to get a lot more of these types than the all out positive ones.

Let me start by saying this… I’m not saying Social Proof isn’t “right” or is “wrong.” What I’m saying is that it is INCOMPLETE. I’m pointing out that it leaves A LOT more unexplained than explained.

I discussed quite a few things that it left unexplained in the last post. There is a higher level dynamic at work when attracting, approaching and seducing women that better explains what is going on and that is the player in the game concept.

One GREAT way to know if you have found a better organizing principle is if you experience a surge in motivation to act or a desire to do things differently. Two or 3 commenters noted they felt more pumped to approach women. The reason is because when they adopted this idea it caused a spontaneous release of competing and inefficient ideas leaving more energy and attention available for action. And/or it stabilized a lot of floating thoughts thus lessening confusion (and confusion causes fear and apprehension.)

I’ll show you how it better explains common field phenomena and then I’ll show you how it ALSO explains Sexual Framing.

Social Proof

* Covered in previous post.

Peacocking

* Someone who is peacocking but not opening is a tool. Why? Socially we know, and women know, that Peacocking is something you do when you are Playing the Game. A dude who is Peacocked and not opening is socially weird. Likewise, people with low game awareness call scantily clad women in the club “sluts” not realizing this is what women do to invite the real Players to open. Saying that women open guys who are peacocked because they realize the men are Players in the Game is a leap… but, it is a very small leap. It might be better explained by saying that women can use it to show everyone THEY are playing the Game thus, getting her opened more without making it too obvious.

Pre-Selection

* I covered this a bit in the last post. Pre-Selection is a VERY valid and observable phenom. But, again this only applies to Players in the Game. When they realize you aren’t in the Game their awareness is no longer on you and all invitations and attention shift to find Players.

Jealousy Threads

* Again, you have to be a Player in the Game and have her attracted for a Jealousy Thread to exist. J-Threads are incredibly powerful. They are so powerful BECAUSE the Game has a limited time span (a Game Obstacle) and a limited number of Players (another Game Obstacle). Her desire to win compels her to focus more energy on a proven quantity as does her desire to IMPROVE against competition. (The competition is other females, not the males.) Add to that the fact that she WAS on her way to Winning and you’ve got a deep sense of loss and self-doubt creeping in. The idea that other females could be BETTER was theoretical, now it is all too real. She will do ALMOST anything to beat the competitor.

Disqualifiers

* There are two valid players. It looks like they are headed to winning… but, now one of them seems to be questioning whether or not the other is a Player… the chances of winning drop causing fear and increasing desire to get back in the Game.

DHVs

* I’m skeptical about the real use of DHVs EXCEPT when you are talking to a girl to whom that shit is important AND her logical mind is engaged. She can use that stuff to talk herself into liking you or giving you more time/chances.

Ok, “Player in the Game” refines those a bit without colliding and give us a better understanding.

We KNOW Mystery Method works AND it works very very well for what it is designed to do… Those items listed above are given as the reason MM works… But, what then explains the massive success of Sexual Framing which isn’t built on any of those?

Sexual Framing doesn’t use Jealousy-Threads, Pre-Selection, Demonstrations of Higher Value (DHVs), Merging, Pawning or Social Proof except as a consequence when a set unravels and you have to open a new one.

In fact, Sexual Framing VIOLATES many common MM principles.

Can the “Player in the Game” concept describe it? Yes! Wonderfully!

A Game is made up of Spectators, Players, Winners, Obstacles and Goals.

I’m not using Obstacles in the MM definition here. Although her friends COULD be Obstacles they aren’t by default. They are only Obstacles when they don’t KNOW that you and her friend have AGREED to play the game together.

Approaching, attracting and seducing women is often called The Game.

All Games are Based on Agreement.

Game Dynamic 1: You and her must agree you are both Players. Naturally, this is you making a smooth open, hooking the set and her entering communication with you. If you can’t get agreement on this you don’t have a Game.

Game Dynamic 2: You and her must agree you are both playing the same Game TOGETHER. By opening Sexual Frames you are telling her what Game you are playing. As she continues talking with you and playing along she is AGREEING that this is a male-female conversation with a sexual dynamic. If you can’t get agreement on this you don’t have a Game.

Game Dynamic 3: You must show her that you VALUE her Game Goal. By being non-judgmental and telling her you LOVE how sexy she is, etc you are showing her this. If you can’t get agreement on this you don’t have a Game.

Game Dynamic 4: You must demonstrate that you can carry her through the Obstacles… first by handling them in her mind, then in the immediate environment then over time. This can be done explicitly by getting the group to like you… getting her so into you that she does it and/or using an Inoculation Routine like I mentioned in “FR: College Girls!” Then, by baby-stepping her along ever so gently she’ll know/feel that she is having all the good feelings and none of the bad (like she usually does), she gets even more comfortable and puts more trust in you. If you can’t get agreement on this you don’t have a Game.

Also, you can look for her to show you the same! For example, when I ask her “You’re not the jealous type… are you?” and then tell a story about how I was “hanging out” (code for fucking) a girl and she got jealous and I didn’t approve I’m beginning to define what Game we are playing and putting in question her agreement on Dynamic 2. She has to alleviate my concerns by agreeing with me that jealousy sucks.

The Most Evil of All Evils

What about LMR? Can this even shed some light on LMR?

Yes!

LMR is primarily an unclear agreement about whether or not you are both playing the same Game (unclear Game Dynamic 2). It can also be that you haven’t shown her that you value her Game Goal (unclear on Game Dynamic 3).

If she is playing “Potential GF Game” and you are playing ONS game and she THINKS you are playing “Potential GF Game” but isn’t exactly sure due to mixed communication signals then… BAM! LMR. You’d have to have told her that your game works like this “Primarily Sexual and then possible grow into GF over time” in order to avoid it.

On the flipside, If you WERE playing to get a GF and she was CONVINCED you were…

…and she WAS playing that Game too…

…and she believed that giving it up wouldn’t destroy that Game (clear on Game Dynamic 3), then…

…she’d have no issue having sex with you the first night.

This is why so many of the PUAs trained in “social” forms of Pick-up have such a hard time getting laid.

They broadcast “social, fun guy — potential fun bf” on Game Dynamic 2 and then wonder why it takes forever to lay her… furthermore, they never make it clear that they VALUE sexuality so she has to be double certain it won’t fuck up that Game before having sex. They have methodically built tons of agreement on a DIFFERENT GAME (fun, cool, social bf) and wonder why the Game Goal of a DIFFERENT GAME isn’t happening.

Those Silly PUAs.

Captain Jack

P.S. Knowing what you know now about The Game Dynamics you should be able to pinpoint on WHICH Dynamic any busted set failed on. All “no-gos” are failure on Game Dynamic 1. All sets that unravel come from failures on Game Dynamic 4, etc. What would you do with said information? Why you’d examine your Game Plan and look for deficiencies in your common routines/stacks/ideas/beliefs in that area, shore it up, set up experiments/solutions and get your ass back in the Field!

P.P.S. Disqualifiers work because they threaten agreement on Game Dynamic 1. See that? If there isn’t agreement on all the Game Dynamics, there is NO GAME, thus no chance of winning. Jealousy Thread threatens Game Dynamic 2.

That’s it for now.  If you got something you wanna say, feel free to comment down below.

Until next time…  “If it ain’t wet, spit on it!”

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Constant Kino and A Short Cut Through Kino Escalation

So much to add to my blog and so little time.  I gotta give people some breath, however I feel that my blog now is evolving based on my students’ needs and that’s cool by me.  But you don’t give a shit about all that 😉  On to the good stuff.

Another Article by Sonics – This time:

Subject: Constant Kino
Date: January 25th, 2008 02:36:44 PM (EST)

Author: sonics

Themesong:

(I got a question about Constant Kino on another forum, I started answering it and this is what came out… thought I’d post it for your guy’s eyes too.)

First off, Constant Kino isn’t really anything new… I just named it because it’s something I’ve noticed myself doing and I thought with a name it’d be easier for people to understand and able to help them more. I’m sure many of you readers have been doing this naturally forever; but this is for the guys who that haven’t been.

This isn’t like Mehow’s Pure Kino, which is like doing the trust test or a palm reading (I don’t read palms; but palm reading is an example of a Pure Kino Routine), Constant Kino is your legs touching each other’s while doing the palm read and remains constant after the palm read is over.

The actual constant thing doesn’t start until you actually know the girl a little… really, a half hour after knowing someone doesn’t mean you KNOW them know them; but that’s about how long it takes to get to this point, in most cases… you meet a girl get to know her then all of a sudden you guys are always touching…

It is by all means perfect for alone time, alone meaning just you and her. Day 2 stuff, special case bar girls : ), or maybe there just isn’t any room for anything but for Constant Kino to take place, like you met a girl while you were seated at a party on a packed couch.

It’s all in the name; you are constantly touching her, think of it as always having some kind of kino going on. Not you just keep touching her here and there throughout the interaction. You are always, constantly, touching her and she is always touching you as well by default, many times it will be the girl initiating it.

Think of subtle long lasting kino as the bottom line of this.

Say you’re watching a movie in the theatres (which still works as a completely acceptable day 2) and you guys are sharing an armrest with your elbows and forearms against one an others, or maybe your knees are touching.

That’s weak and basic but still what I mean by Constant Kino. I just wrote that example as a final way for you to have an idea of what it is you’re reading about.

I think of PDA as a public display. Constant Kino, while having many of the same “moves,” isn’t really for others to see. While PDA is Constant Kino, Constant Kino is also a term that explains what the lasting kino is when no one else is there to see. PDA should never stop, the people just need to leave : )

Like when you’re at one of your houses on the couch and she throws her feet on your lap or say you guys are cuddling. Like in my HBBcup LR, where our legs were touching while I was standing at the table, no one else could see, it wasn’t even a big deal, it was just happening, purposely.

Once you have Constant Kino going, and if the situation allows it PDA, sex is inevitable. The comfort and familiarity with touching each other has been going on since you first started hanging out, it’s then only natural to full close. You don’t need it; but when I’m running solid game Constant Kino is always there.

If you think about the word “Constant” you’ll remember to be doing it. Now you can sometimes draw attention to it; but for the most part it’s something neither of you two should be thinking about… which is kind of a contradiction since I told you to remember the term; just don’t make a big deal out of it happening while you’re making it happen.

This will sound a little AFC to the new guys; but think of you and the girl temporarily sharing your world, kino and all; that’s where you want to be. Get her here and it’s crazy what chicks will do.

OBVIOUSLY, you shouldn’t and can’t always be touching the girl. Leave the girl every once and awhile with her friends or your friends, then when you come back go Constant Kino again. Keep it subtle and discrete, not always PDA. The only person that really needs to know about the kino is the girl herself. That goes for all kino really. You don’t have to or even really want to be claiming the girl in front of others, unless you can tell that that’s what she wants. (Anybody with a decent level of female facial calibration will be able to tell if you’re claiming her to show the guy talking to her, (if her eyes stay locked on you while a guy is claiming her, she’s telling you to keep going) this just makes me lose respect for the guys. I used to be that guy)

Constant Kino is a shared thing, if the girl isn’t receptive yet, wash rinse and repeat later. That I suppose is where the escalation in this comes into play. Say you’re on a day 2 at the mall and you go for the hand hold, she’s not feelin’ it, you drop her hand. You do it again, she’s still not really feelin’ it, and you drop it again. A little later, for a third time you’re walking slightly in front of her, you go for it and she holds onto two and a half of your fingers like she’s been your chick for the last year. (Take her someplace secluded and go Constant Kino with your body parts (legs, arms, feet, back of hands, palms, etc.)… and escalate.)

It’s all the places you would normally touch; you’re just doing it constantly letting the kino continue.

Try this once you get the Constant Kino going: after you’ve been touching each other for a few hours break it off for no reason and watch her come back in or ask you “what’s wrong?”

Remember kino is a reward. If she’s bothering you in anyway, no kino!! Be playful with it, while making it something you just do.

Like I wrote at the top of this post, I’m sure a lot of you guys are doing this already, now, if you weren’t already, you can consciously add to your already existing skills in this area. This was more for the people that weren’t doing it already… Keep it constant guys… it’ll help.

Ways I’ve initiated the Constant Kino:

1) tickle attacks to snuggle kino

2) “Let’s see if you fit”

3) random hand placement (if you’re in her car just reach over and put your hand on her leg)

4) Grab her hands and put them on you

5) move her body parts (leg on top of your leg when side by side)

6) all sorts of close close proximity types

7) just the tips of your shoes

8 ) hand on her lower back

9) start it on the dance floor!!

10) Hugs with a spin into proximity shoulders touching

Thanks for reading.

If you have any relevant questions… fire away

-Sonics

Sidecar:

Subject: “Lets see if you fit…” *A shortcut through Kino Escalation*
Date: July 13th, 2007 07:32:34 PM (EDT)

Author: sonics

A Sonics original (to the best of my knowledge at least) … enjoy

*A short cut through Kino escalation*

This will help you get to that point of pushing the interaction towards a make out, or a ONS, or potential girlfriend, or FB, whatever… here it is, fun and easy:

“Let’s see if you fit”

Use this after you both like each other. Could be instant or it could be after awhile, no interaction is the same, it could be after you isolate, a lot of the time, for me, it’s after very little Kino has been exchanged or before any Kino has been established at all, you both wanna touch each other, this just helps that happen…

You’re sitting next to her and you make space for her to scoot in under your arm to do a sit up cuddle and say “let’s see if you fit” then you guys do a sit up cuddle.

Or

Simply stand next to her and say “Let’s see if you fit” with an arm out as if you’re inviting her to come in. Have her step in under your arm with your arm on her lower back…

Or

Hold out your hand and say “let’s see if it fits” and hold her hand, fingers interlocked below the waist in a “we’ve been dating” kind of way.

This has been field tested by me for the last month and a half and the girl will ALWAYS come in to see if she fits! So far for me anyway, and that’s a lot of different girls auditioning for the fit. Remember this is after attraction, the majority of the time it’s after all those IOI’s, after those shared stories, after you’ve felt each other out and feel comfortable with each other, most importantly when it feels right. I’ve yet to F this up; but probably will one day who knows. It’s worked for the guys I’ve told already too, so, if you want, I’m sure it will work for you too.

Make sure to act as if it’s no big deal, and just continue being yourself and doing the same thing you were doing before the Kino.

This is just one way and probably the best LINE so far I’ve found to initiate Constant Kino, which is huge in my game. I know it’s a line; but once you get here a couple times you’ll be able to think of a thousand different ways to get Constant/Comfort Kino.

This is perfect for the time spent together at the bar after a number close, or walking down the street to a new venue, and standard in isolation.

This is not the time to say no you don’t fit and throw her away, unless of course you still feel like playing and aren’t ready to take that step… cough <wuss> cough This is the beginning of your new playfully enjoyable and shared world. Think “couple Kino.”

Happy Flower Picking,

-Sonics

Sidecar II:  

I chose The Stooges because last night I was writing this at a bar in Chicago where I decided to go, and finish up work and at least give myself an opportunity to open sets while I was working.   Sooo.  Once I finished doling out homework, answering emails and posting this, this song came on so I made it the themesong.  PS – I like Iggy Pop and the Stooges anyway.

Did you know he actually helped fund and pay for the air conditioner for a place called Sweat Records in Miami, which is a Record Store that doubles as a coffeeshop?

The Burlesque Dancer and the Dream Cruise

Tsod:

So, We have to take a quick break from Rainbow Dash for a minute because I’m working with a student right now, and I am trying to teach him a few subtleties to his game that I feel this Report has in it. This is a report about open to close. I wont say much about it because, already, it’s pretty long. Keep in mind, I wrote this when I was a bit younger.  I probably have a lot different mindset back then.  Enjoi

by Geese Howard » August 19th, 2007, 8:58 pm

My Field Reports are long so grab yourself some tea, coffee, or a snack if you are actually gonna read this. Cigarettes are cool too and for you Highons its cool if you smoke a little but dont get so high that you cant remember anything.

So its 1:30 and I haven’t heard of one person joining me for the Dreamcruise so I decide to head out anyways and take Mr. Poop for a walk.

I walk for a few minutes and as always Poop is pulling massive attraction. Its kinda hard to have Poop as a wingman. Sometimes people are checking him out, not even paying the least bit of attention to me. Every once in a while, though it pays off. Not today however.

I walk and see 0 sets. Its early. all the hot chicks are still hungover or having their last bit of sex before they go home to get ready to go out.

Eventually I see this chick whos ok. Shes the Medical marijuana chick. I say simply, “Youre from Flint.”

“Yes I am.”

We talk for a minute and she mentions her husband or something but I just keep blabbing about ppl from flint. I had no interest in this chick at all and was doing warm ups. However, I did notice something. I started moving slowly and she was walking with me talking. She asked my name.

I decided to run an expirement. I stopped and she stopped and we talked some more. I didn’t bust her for asking my name, I simply told her. More BS then I started moving slowly to see. Yep, she moved with me some more. Soon she was asking my name again. Then I busted on her about smoking too much dope giving her ‘No Term’ memory.

Soon another person came up who was interested in signing the petition so I moved on. PS I had made it clear from the get go that I had already signed the petition at DEMF to rule out any possibility of the interaction being about her trying to get me to sign.

I walked some more. I see this chick walking by a few minutes later with her dog. Im eating but want to approach so I start doing the stalk. Me and Dillon totally Stalked chicks at DEMF trying to make it seem like we werent at all following them and then opening them pretty successfully once they stopped. I did the same here. Im walking along at a distance kind of happening along the same path she was but soon enough Mr Poop fucks it all up. A lady walks up and says, “OMG you have a Bulldog! I have a boxer! Can I pet him? Will he bite me?”

Yes.

I always say yes if someone asks if my dog bites them in the context of “Can I pet him?”

Or if they ask if they can pet him I say, “No.”

But Im kidding and usually I say that after the look of disappointment crosses their face.

This lady didnt care. She pet him anyways. So I Stopped and chatted and my Target disappeared.

Oh well.

So I walked after a few minutes up to woodward looking for a place to chill, have a drink and tie Poop up to the railing outside so we both could relax.

I see a semi cute 2 set and another semi cute 3 set in a full outside area. I open the closest 2 set.

“Can you guys do me a favor? I need you to drink your drinks down real fast and get outta here so I can have your table.” 🙂

Cute girl one: “Oh you want this table?”

Nothing really interesting went on with these two. I really did just want their table, but the one on the right had big boobs and was drunk already from the night before. I talked and busted on them a little and the whole interaction was fun. Something Funny happened and I totally got the one friend to laugh at the other friend about something but my combination of quick with and absentmindedness sometimes doesnt quite pay off when I want to rememeber something cool I said.

So Im facing away from them a little and I see a chick walk by. 5’8″ or so, nice body, red hair dyed, perky, big looking boobs, pretty face and kind of that punk/bettie page/retro look that does it for me.

Walking…

Here she comes…

I have three seconds to come up with that intriguing, kickass, Im the alpha, engaging opener that will stop her dead in her tracks and make her want to come over and have sex with me…

I look, she’s wearing a blue shirt with a Felix the Cat on it.

Brilliant Opener here it comes… Shes close enough to hear me.

“Hey you have Felix the Cat on your shirt!”
(I specifically remembered this for you opener fixated guys out there.)

HBSproket: Yep. (as she keeps walking barely looking at me)
Me: Because I like Felix the cat and always used to want to watch it when I was a kid. (Fucking Mr Smooth talker right now :oops: )

But the whole time Im picturing Lovedrops Ass on the MM vids saying, “… and the next time he was in set he just stayed where he was and leaned back and kept talking louder… and louder…” So I stood. I didn’t turn with her as she walked by and I kept getting louder and simply turned my head as I talked my Wonderful opener, and guess what? She stopped. She was four feet past me and just like that miss, “I could really give a fuck about what youre saying right now” mysteriously Stopped and turned a little to face me.

I successfully stopped a moving target like they told us was not too likely in the Juggler workshop. Not that I agreed but Ive heard alot of the Guru types say how hard it is to stop a moving target because the only thing on their mind is their destination. Of course RJ says the key is to break their state. Then Lovedrop says, “If I see guys following a moving set, You’re Out! Trust me You’re Out!”

So I asked her if she’s even ever watched Felix the Cat before while simultaneousy turning somewhat to face her.

HBSproket: Yea
Me: Bullshit! Dude I looked all over the TV when I was a kid and I could never find it.

HB: I did watch it. (Smiling a little.)
Me: What channel did you see it on?

And we’re off. So We have a minute conversation about Felix the Cat. IMHO it wasnt anything that was being said that made a fuck of a difference. My next brilliant thread was about something I cant even remember and possibly about DreamCruise stuff and mostly fluff the I asked her where she was headed. OK sure I was being a little smart ass and doing some Cockyfunny but my state was good and so it made for a good state. Keep in mind the warmups. We talked for about 4 minutes.

So she tells me she’s headed to the WAB. I tell her, “Well then I guess you’re fucked.”

HB: Why?
ME: Because I just walked by there a minute ago and they’re having some Private Party. Thats why Im standing here waiting for these two girls to leave so I can snag a table. (mentally I said it on purpose to see if she would bite – she did)
HB: Then you want some company?
Me: No. (smile)
(and I say it really child like when I say a stupid No to a chick, like Not real loud but deep and forceful and bratty.)
Just kidding, you can join me, just dont get any ideas. (you know this last part might or might not be what I said but it was something to that effect Im sure of it.)

So I tell her to grab the table as the chicks miraculously get up at the exact right moment. So she does and I tie up Mr Poop to the rail and we sit.

We drink Bloody Mary’s and I playfully bust on the waitress and Mr Poop is doing his job as a wingman getting everyone to talk to me and making me shine as a social guy. People are taking pictures of him and girls are asking me about him and so on and my target who I sporadically talk to and then ignore at intervals sits and orders food and we sip away at Bloody Marys and have a good time.

Most of the interaction went naturally for a while for me. I riffed. I do that alot. Then I was running out of stuff to say.

Times that she asked me personal stuff I ducked and dodged.

HB: Where did you move from?
Me: I don’t think we’ve reached the point in the relationship yet where we can talk about that kinda stuff yet. We’re still on small talk.

So it was going OK. I wasnt exactly seducing her I dont think. Until.

Me: talking about blah blah then stopping and looking around as if thinking: “Isnt it interesting how everyone is so different yet in so many ways we’re all the same?”

HB: Well I guess so but I don’t think that applys to everyone. Blah Blah Blah.

Me: I know but I’ve moved around alot in my time and I grew up in Europe at a young age. (I went into my Grew up in Europe Memory Routine that is my real experience and really didnt start out as a routine but I realised I always tell the story in a good set. Comfort I suppose.)

Then I totally Tangent out and am off and gone for a minute talking about people. Then I reopen the Pattern Thread and continue.

“I mean… Hmm. Ok! For example. I dunno what it is you do when you decide for yourself that you wanna be with someone… And so on…”

I get to the part about connecting so strongly with and she says, “Yea but That doesn’t really happen very often.”

But up until that point I could SEE her trance. I guess they call it DDB. So I didnt freak I simply turned it back on.

You’re right. I dont think it happens very often to me either, but sometimes you just meet this person that your talking to and something just clicks and you can just feel that connection. Now, with me Its different… Blah Blah Blah you get the point. The Key to NLP IMO is twofold. They say use the patterns as guidelines to make up your own language. I say use the patterns like a written song and then riff off of them like Jimi Hendrix Playing the National Anthem at Woodstock or ‘Gloria’ for that matter.

Back to the pattern and finish.

She starts opening up and talking about stuff like that and somehow something she said reminded me of the Incredible Connection pattern somewhere a little into it so aRiffing I go into the middle of the pattern and I can see her trance back on.
BAM! (Like Emeril.)

I honestly believe the more I use patterns that they are powerful motherfuckers. I even believe I have a natural tendancy to induce trance with them because I actually believe that EVERY time I do one I notice a difference in the chick and how she responds afterwords.

So far its just the connections pattern but HERE is the SMALL detail that forwarded the interaction to the next step.

One word.

“Yet.”

We were talking about paying for drinks in a light hearted way and keep in mind we were bantering back and forth alot too. She actually said that she thought I was good conversation at the beginning because I had thrown my smart ass remarks at her rather quickly.

So she says something about me buying her drink and I say, “I cant pay for your drink. We havent even kissed ‘yet’.” No cheesy pause before yet or anything but she picked it right up.

She laughed and said, “You said yet.”

Me: Yea but I cant promise you anything. 🙂  All you get is interesting conversation and good company. Besides, are you adventurous?

Her: Yeah blah blah blah.

We talked more.

The drinks were gone and she mentioned at least once in the conversation that she had to go put money in the meter for her car. I didn’t buy.

Me: Its so cool meeting you its too bad I cant hang out with you any more.

Her: Why?

Me: I gotta take Mr Poop Home. He cant be out in this too long.

Her: Well you can walk with me back to my car if you want on the way.

Me: Ok Maybe. But you gotta win this bet first.

ENTER: Five questions.

Of course she lost and with all seriousness (well feigned seriousness) I said, “Pleasure meeting you.”

of course we talked a little more and that was all. I walked away and we never saw each other again.

The End.

Yeah right.

So the bill comes and I say, “Well I suppose I could walk with you to your car if you bought my Bloody Mary for me.” 🙂

She did.

She didn’t even put up a fake fight.

So I start more intrusive kino on the walk putting my hand around her back then pulling it away ala R.J. (Give em something they like then pull it away just when you think they like it. Leave em wanting more.)

Now comes Spontaneity. I ask her on the way, “Are you Spontaneous?”

HB: Yea, blah blah blah.

and soon we’re at her car. I again remind her I gotta take Poop home but she had already said she wanted to have another drink somewhere so I said, “Why dont you ride with me and we can drop him off and come back?” She said OK.

She puts money in the meter and my brain says, “Kiss her NOW!”

My old self started saying, “Too early” but I knew What I had to do no matter how silly the timing seemed or how I didnt think we were there yet.

I did the Swingcat – Kissing School Routine.

I tried to kiss her and…

REJECTED!

however it was a good rejection.

HB: You cant kiss me. Im not that easy.
Me: What happened to all that spontaneity?
HB: Im not that spontaneous.
Me: So you have rules… Real spontaneous. What are your Rules? (David X)
HB: I dont have any rules.
Me: You didnt just kiss me that seems like a rule to me.
HB: I just met you Im not easy. Im not that spontaneous.

Keep in mind we’re walking to my car and Im not drilling her, this is all light hearted.

We drive to my house and on the way I run Sexual Predators by TD (since Sonics has been on about how good it is.) Wait NO. Thats the car ride back. I cant remember what we talked about on the way.

Anyways the key to my house is this. David DeAngelo learned a trick from Riker I believe. Bring the chick to your place, let her in to feel comfortable or even wonder whats gonna happen next and then LEAVE right away.

We did but on the way out I went for the kiss again, My state was on and she denied me again, this time saying, “Besides. You didn’t steal a kiss.”

So I did! Short makeout like five seconds then I pulled away and said, “Thats all you get.”

HB: Thats all YOU get!  🙂

FRAMEs are so wonderful especially when you know you just stole hers from her.

Sexual Predators… Walking back my game was ON and she was done. It was FTW at this point. I pulled a Sonics “Lets see if we fit.” during the walk back to the new bar. She had taken to grabbing my ass.

OK Rewind:

My doorway after the second rejection she started touching my ass.

I’m like: Seriously? You can grab my ass but I cant kiss you?

Thats when she said, “Yea but you didn’t Steal a kiss.” Instructing me exactly what she wanted me to do.

Fast Forward:

The bar – Sexual State – ppl were noticing. She started asking me from time to time, “Where did you come from?”

The bartender chick at one point tried to AMOG me when we were kissing with something about, “Do you have enough to go around?”

Me: What you wanna kiss?
BT: No I mean you got enough of her to go around? (Im sure she realised she just walked into something with someone she didnt want to walk into it with – she mustve heard the response I was thinking right at that moment because before I had a chance to answer she Switched gears) Besides there’s children in here.

Me: If I ran this country there I would teach these kids how to learn this stuff early. Wouldnt you want guys to be better a this stuff?
BT: Id vote for ya! Don’t you hate it when you try to kiss a guy and you have to teach him what to do? (to HB. I win again.) She went on like this for a couple mins and it just made me look even better.

Routine: Me: (My own) Im a big fan of the HighSchool make out. Its a lost art. You know how when you were in highschool you could just get together and make out all heavy for hours and you didn’t even care if it went anywhere. I love doing that, Im reviving it.

Shits on now.

We walk and Im barely talking now. I dont have to. Its all kino. PPL are looking at us, the spiky haired guy and the hot Burlesque chick (by the by – she is a Burlesque dancer and she is on Youtube.)

I remember that my Yoga Teacher had a Rock-Band going on at the Gym and I went to see. I social Proofed that place eyeing another target and standing there with this chick draped all over me and dancing on me like Im king Kool. The target I totally gave strong Eye contact opened me. “Arent you Poops Dad?”

We talked a merged set then after a minute my chick walked off to get a beer. Working my new target a little I blabbed about something and Just so happened to throw in, “So I was wandering around and I met her and…”

HBNaia: Wait! You mean the chick you’re all over? You just met her?
Me: Well shes kinda on me too, but yea. (my attitude was like, I don’t get it. Whats the big deal? Isnt that kinda thing normal?)

So we talked some more and I found out that she was gonna take the Naia Class at my Gym.

ME: You know I was actually gonna check out that class too.   Maybe I’ll see ya there.

Also at one point the older High Value (she just beams high value – some ppl just do) chick who manages the gym totally walks up to me and gives me huge props in front of my set and calls me cute and everything.

One more thing from the party. There was this girl from the gym; short, stocky-built, atheletic – cute as hell and even slightly muscular. I gamed her a little too.

When I said, Maybe Ill see you at the gym, she said, “Sure Im usually there working out with a guy named Bora.” as if to say, “I can see your game buddy and Ill be with another guy.”

Me: Really? You know Borat?!
Her: Bora
Me: Thats awesome, tell him I liked his movie.
Her: Its Bora
Me: Seriously. Borat works out here?

She started laughing and smiling and showed me a picture of the guy. With his name under it.

I ignored it and kept rambling about Borat and how I didnt think Borat looked like he worked out.

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So I said after a lull in the action, “Let’s walk.” and started walking. (HBSproket again) and the Yoga chick who has eyes for me sees me leave in the middle of her song and I flash her the peace sign.

We walk a block and I direct HBSproket around the block back the way we came and into an alley. We find one of those enclosed Doorways and I direct her in there and we make out and are pushing each other against the wall and switching dominant roles and getting each other generally Horny.

This goes on for a few and again shes asking me, “Where did you come from?”

We walk some more and happen upon the next enclosed doorway and SHE pushes me in there and more make out and mock Shtooping.

Back to the party for a bit then back to my house.

We walk back to our cars so she can follow me to my house to “watch Borat” since we joked about it and then I asked her if she ever saw the movie.

We drove to my house and she wanted me to play a CD she had so I did. She starts Stripper lap dancing me and she can fucking MOVE. I literally felt like I was getting a lap dance in a strio club in my own home.

Thre was definately more Push and Pull going on – For instance – Earlier before we decided to go back to my house She said, “Lets not plan anything, lets just go with the flow.”

I read somewhere – maybe even here recently someones idea on how to counter that so I stole it – if you read this and its you give yourself credit below and thanks.

I said, “It’s ok. We dont have to have sex.”

It somehow blew here state a little and she made this sad face but then the deal was sealed and she was back at my house.

Anyways later on we stopped the makeout and lap dancing for a while and I decided that instead of going in for the *close right away I would put it off. So we went into the computer room and played with Myspace.

Then after a bit she was pulling me back onto her and soon I just sorta took my penis out and we went from there.

She started rubbing it and then says, “If only you had some lubrication I could stroke it better.”

Gee look! I just happen to have some left!  🙂

So it went on and on from there.

Plus afterwords I gave her a spanking, like Seriously. She wanted me to call her bad girl and all that. God that was fun.

Im trying to discover the LMR but I have said in the past I just dont really ever get that much LMR when I close a chick. I have a natureal tendancy to be good at push so now that Ive added the pull and am getting better all the time its pretty much constant until the close. Up until the point I closed her there was always that, “We dont have to do this tonight – or Thats all youre getting” mentality.

After the interaction was in its closing phase she commented, “I knew you would be like this! I’m glad I met you.”

I asked (being ever on the quest for knowledge) “When did you know?”

She said, “As soon as I saw you I knew.”

I was like, “Yea but when I first talked to you you didn’t say much.”

She replied, “Yea but you kept talking.”

“So what would have happened had I not talked to you or stopped talking after you kinda brushed me off?” I asked her?

She said, “I would have kept walking.”

I said, “Really just like that? You wouldn’t have even tried talking to me?”

“Nope,” she answered me simply, “You’re the man.”

What fun!

Questions? Comments? You still awake?