LR: HB Creole Legs

Ok, I’m a little tired today so let’s see if I can do this.  I’m going to try and cut out a lot of the meat and get to my points.

1.  I opened direct, but not what people consider direct, which is really not direct but a canned line, “Hey, I thought you were cute and I just wanted to meet you.”  I did more like what David X would say to do and whatever you like about her, you tell her, and that means EXACTLY what you think, not padded or soft. INTENT from the get go.

2.  Combined element of and INTENTION (different from intent) and Synchrodestiny.  This was a little different than how I would usually play the game but it worked fabulously.  I have been meaning and meaning and meaning to write a post on this but it hasn’t happened yet.  I will soon.  Basically the idea is stuff that people like Deepak Chopra, and Wayne Dyer teach.  That is, also, what I have been teaching people like Boom! and Jawsome (students) a little.  It kind of just came out in my most recent bootcamps, but it has seemed to be really powerful.  That is, you got up today with the INTENTION of talking to women.  So every woman you see is actually there for you to talk to.  It is LIFE giving you a GIFT.  It is NOT accidental that you decided to go meet women, and that you see a woman you like, and that your mind is telling you to talk to her.  It is ALL the NATURAL ORDER OF THINGS.  If you don’t approach you are slapping life in the face.  That’s a VERY basic run down, I will get into details later when I write the thread.

So, I was walking around near my place in a nice little neighborhood that I like to frequent, and I noticed walked into a second hand clothing store because, well 90% of those shops are women’s clothing and women love second hand clothing.  I saw this 2 set of black girls near the checkout, one was sitting on a bench and the other was talking to her.  The one sitting – I saw her legs and I was fucking immediately horny.  YUMMY!  She was also, IMO fucking way attractive, despite the fact that she wasn’t even dressed up.  She was wearing shorts and a sweat top.  I wanted to approach, but my brain reflected on something Johnny Walker once talked with me about.

We were in a diner in Lakeview and I saw a 2 set there in a booth who I told Johnny I was going to approach.  He said something to the effect that it was the wrong place and the wrong time.  It was an awkward situation, and that the girls would most likely not be receptive.  Then he made the point clear, which was, “Guys are always trying to open the difficult sets. Then they get rejected.  Then they keep doing it and keep getting rejected and they start to create a pattern of failure in their minds instead of thinking that it has to do with just repeating the same mistake over and over.”  This is far different from, “Advanced openeing blah blah” or whatever.  This is more to the point of, pick your battles wisely.

To me, that was a great lesson but I added something to it this time.  Intention and synchrodestiny.  In my mind I knew that 2 girls, In a store, NEAR the girls working the checkout.  That would be a LOT of pressure.  So, I thought to myself, “I am going to go back to my car and get my phone, which I forgot anyway.  Assuming that I am out and I am SUPPOSED to meet her, that she is actually there because of my intention, then when I come back I will meet her.”

And that’s what I did.  And when I was walking back, who did I happen to pass on the sidewalk?  The  two black girls.  And I opened immediately with, “I had to tell you your legs are fucking amazing!”

She got a big smile on her face immediately.  We started chatting.  Her friend only gave me a little shit but warmed up to me immediately after some light banter.

I made my intentions known, that I wanted to take this girl out.  But there was a lot of banter immediately with these two girls.  I was talking about how I was going to go work out, HBCreole Legs was talking about how she hadn’t worked out in 3 weeks but that she wanted to get on team skinny.  I told her how I could work out like a horse and no matter if I lost every ounce of fat on my body I’d probably be a big, stocky guy.

And she shot back, “uhhh…  You’re not that big.  I mean, maybe in your mind you are but ummmm…”  She was negging me so to speak.

I told her I could take her, called her short (she was pretty much 1 inch shorter than me) and then her friend got involved and had us stand back to back to see who was taller.  So banter was established pretty early.

Then we walked after a few minutes, and her friend actually went to where she worked apparently and left us.  I said, “let’s go grab some tea.”  She was like, “fuck it.  Ok.”

So we went.  On with the banter and a tiny bit of kino but not like clubby like since it was daygame and we only knew each other for 10 minutes.  Very soon the banter was going how I like it, racist… Wink  Not really, but I have dated a few black girls, one for over a year.  Plus some of my best wings and friends in my life were black guys.  What you learn is, when you have a good heart and the other person knows it, the “racist” banter goes back and forth.  She was talking about white people this and that.  I think the first thing was something about these cops we saw and how she made a joke about how we had to run or something.  I said, “No, you’re with me.  I’m white.  You’re safe.”

She was making silly jokes about shit, I would come back.  I can’t remember them all but the 2 that stand out were when we could cross the street, I would say, “it’s safe to cross.  The WHITE guy just popped up.”  And in the tea shop I told her she should order a “Hot Chocolate” and elbowed her knowingly.  She said, “oh is that how it is?”

The girl behind the counter had a big smile on her face and asked us if we were comedians?  I said something about how, “You know when you’re little and your parents teach you, “think before you speak”?  Well I thought that was TERRIBLE advice so I just really don’t think at all, and the words just come out.

Anyway so on and on we went, walking around the town, going into a store here or there.  Banter kept going, but so did vibe and very soon sexual topics and kino started escalating.  Soon we were walking around broad daylight and she was telling me how she masturbated before she left the house that day, how she liked dildos, I grabbed her legs, was being aggressive.  Lots of push pull kino (fractionization) and soon I had my arm around her waste pulling her to me.  I could have kissed her but didn’t.

I was headed to the gym and had no intention of pulling.  But I did want to see her again.  This girl was HOT to me.

So, that being said, I eventually stopped the interaction, and tried a timebridge, to which she said she was busy.  But she texed my phone which was in my car.

So I pinged her a couple times over the weekend, just fun texts.  She would take along time to respond but whatever.  Yesterday I asked her to hang out.  We did.

I took her for one drink, J-Dub happened to be at the day 2 bounce location and he was cool.  We sat next to him and he talked to her a bit, and then eventually he left.  I let her finish her beer, but I seeded early the possibility of going to my place to “watch a movie”.

She said, “I know what “watch a movie” means and it never means watching a movie.”  I said for me it did.

But then I said, “well I could say come see my talking goldfish.”

By the way, escalation was pretty easy, like I said.  The stage was set already so it was just kinda natural at this point.  However that also means I was actively doing it.  I did do constant kino and “let’s see if you fit” just because it kinda seems trademark at this point.  But straight to my place, straight to my bedroom, and straight to watching 300 part II.

And I was kissing her all over, and eventually…  I mean HOLY MOTHER OF GOD this girl was fucking BEAUTIFUL naked. She was trying not to let me make her cum but too bad for her.  I won…  She was like, “fuck!  I just came.  What just happened?”  It was cute.

I’m really tired today so I’m writing this, but if anyone has specific questions feel free to ask.



Constant Kino 2.0 (Revisited)

I think this is a good clarification on Kino, and how to create that lasting, escalation type connection and keep it going.   If you’re wondering what all this is about, go back and read Constant Kino and A Short Cut Through Kino Escalation.  This is a followup to that post.

Here are some replies to that post from other forums.  I’ll post them and my responces to help clear up any questions you lurkers and other guys might have had.

“Fascinating. I do have a few questions. So, what exactly do you mean by “constant” if you’re saying that it shouldn’t actually be constant? You need to touch her 50% of the time that you’re together, 90% but factor extra time when you’re not close enough to touch? Also, what type of touch would you recommend and in what proportion? Obviously you want to go easy on the sexy touch styles on non-sexy areas (slow and very lightly, regularly arrythmic, patterned pressure, etc. etc.). Comfortable touches like aren’t-we-awesome-friends would be the staple, but that’s a wide open field. Should your body language be more protective when you’re using this type of contact, or should you be more independent? What’s the objective in direct terms- is it to make the girl as comfortable as possible, or to make her enjoy your presence, or to feel intimate?

Good concept- I will use this.”

Thanks man,Kino

(I’m going to try to answer your questions, while also explaining it a little more.)
Sorry about the confusion, It should be constant… just not to the point where you are taking her everywhere you want to go…

Here’s the rule I use:
“If she’s close enough to touch her, I will.”
(Once you guys are comfortable with one another, you be the judge here (better to do than to think, assume attraction and comfort from the get go <someone that was right>)

By touch I mean ANY PART of my body is in CONTACT with any part of HER BODY.

I didn’t write my rule in the original post because I thought if some weird guy was reading it he’d be putting his weird paws all over a girl in weird ways and him not knowing what he’s doing is weeeird! Here’s a way to not be weird… be comfortable with being touched and be comfortable with touching a girl. Think of touch as “No big deal” and then you can start with the Constant Kino.

Ideally 100% of the time she’s in range and she’s being good. A lot of the time it just won’t seem right, like you just started hanging out with a girl and she’s giving you the not yet vibe. “Let’s see if you fit” or at most after about 30 minutes on the day 2 you should be very very close to having it 100%. (After car time if you drove together)

If you’re at a bar it’s really easy to get it. Try sitting with a set at a table and take up space… spread your legs while you’re sitting and have your legs/knees touching both girls in the set while you’re talking and listening to them talk; this sets up a neat interaction. Remember, it’s normal for YOU to be doing this. Not a rule; but to me it feels more natural to go Constant Kino on a re-open, if not on a day 2, on a day 2 she wants it Constant as much as you do.

You’ll also notice that even when you’re not talking directly to the girl even with the slightest form of this that the person will listen to you more intently, even if it’s been there for a few minutes.

Think of this, you’re at a table next to your target and in comes an interrupt or she starts talking to someone else. (Girls that are sitting are easier to pick up.) If your legs are spread and one of them is up against her leg, she knows you’re there and she likes the fact that it is touching her so why not let her talk to whomever she wants? You’re not claiming her; but it’s still decided. The fact that she doesn’t move the leg away should be enough for you to know. Stare Decisis <Latin for decision final or to stand by the decision> She’ll be back to you in a second if you were doing well before the interrupt. Now if some douche PUA (I’ll write PUA because natural or not he’s there to get your girl) comes into your set trying to impress his friends by swooping your chick and you feel that ignoring the guy isn’t in your best interest, proceed to normal befriending and if necessary AMOGing. (I like a combination of the both, sort of like push pull. <Swinggcat has a lot of good theory on push pull> Also note that a lot of the time these guys make great terrible wings). I’ve never had a real AMOG come into my sets, just douche’s. “Hey ladies can I buy you a drink?” … douche’s.

What type of touches would I recommend?

All kinds. You’re still going to have to escalate just keep it constant…

Aren’t-we-awesome-friends type touches?

I’ve never really hit the LJBF zone for too long, so yeah.

Protective touches?

No, not unless you have to push her out of the way of a speeding bus or similar.

Independent touching?

Yes definitely be independent. It shouldn’t bother you in the slightest if you see this as a playful game. I laugh when a girl wants me to stop; really, I chuckle and stop till later. If it’s getting late and the girl has been teasing me for an hour, I’ll get up and leave and say something like “this is too much for me, I’m gonna explode if I don’t leave” (a real take away, after all the little freeze outs <MM> then get up and leave. She’ll chase, I’ll give her one more chance for the full close, if she still doesn’t want to then maybe there’ll be a day 3. I haven’t gone past a day 3 without full monty since High school, I won’t. The real stuff happens after sex <All PUA’s to the best of my knowledge>

What’s the objective in direct terms?

I would say the point of this is to get her comfortable with touching you while at the same time having her actually like touching you. Pick up is two ways. You can then take it any direction you want by how you escalate the situation. La la la we like touching each other, Foreplay dry humping heavy petting with make outs, or experimental vibrating egg in her ass sex. It’s great for all types of relationships.

Thanks for your reply.

“I gotta be the one ask bro, but doesn’t that Lance Mason pickup 101 already teach this idea to ppl? I mean he doesn’t call it constant kino but his examples straight from the Cliff’s list videos suggest kinoing the chick with a HI-5 and then grabbing the hand and holding it while you talk. OR directing her attention to something at the same time as you kino her (arm around back or shoulders) and continue talking to get that kino going then keeping it. Your technique and what he teaches sound very similar except he sort of suggests that if you are congruent you can do it right away; in other words if you’re “that guy” who just seems to touch people naturally then you can start extended kino from the start with a little calibration.

His idea is Kino as much as you can as early as you can for extended periods with the occasional mysery throwoff or pushaway but done more playful as opposed to dicky.

So I guess Im wondering, is there a difference and what are they or is it just your way of explaining the concept?”


The idea behind this has been known for ever and a day. For me it started with PDA and my virginity girl back in High School… we always touched each other. Always. PDA couple of the world! People or not we were touching. Purpose or not, we were touching.

L Mason was onto something, and he’s probably pretty dope in field he most likely even uses Constant Kino; but I feel like his technique with the high five hand grab behind the back finger fan thing was made for flash, for students to say “WoW”, kind of like Mehow’s Pure Kino (both are awesome for demos)… I’m not talking smack here, these guys know their shit.

Kino 2There is nothing spectacular about what I’m trying to explain here… I really don’t believe I’ve ever read or heard anything about this before. So you’re in set and for some reason your knees are touching this girl? So what? Not at all intrusive, nothing big going on, low pressure, you’re not facing the girl, she’s next to you, the only thing is, is your knee is touching her at all times.

In my last reply I almost wrote that Constant Kino is all touching without touching (w/o using your hands). Can you see what I’m saying here? I didn’t write that because the idea behind this is in the name, Constant Kino is all Kino, at ALL TIMES, keep it Constant. You still can do whatever kino you were doing before just always be doing some kind. I’ve never read anywhere to be in set and have the toes of your shoes touching while you converse.

The base line of this kind of Kino would probably be called Proximity Kino in community terms. But the idea behind what I’m writing is to always be, constantly, at least having Proximity Kino going on.

At the beginning of my original post I wrote that people have most likely been doing this naturally for years, like those old couples that always touch, affectionate or just proximity, they’re touching. (I used old people because they’re just so darn cute and they’ve been around longer than the community.

Picture this, you walk into a girls apartment and she has 4 friends over and they are all hanging all over each other leaning this way and that one has her leg over two others while another has her head in ones lap watching TV, I’ve seen this in real life on a Friday night, crazy. That is Constant Kino. They’re not trying to hook up with each other, they just love touch, that feeling of belonging.

Call it whatever you want, Extended Kino, Continuous Kino, Infinity Kino, I personally like Constant Kino… Like when it all boils down there is still this constant that is always there, constantly. Mainly this idea was and is for me, I’m just sharing it with the few that pay attention.

I wrote this hoping to help guys, not to invent something new. However, I don’t believe it’s ever been explained as clear as this before. I’ve been writing about Constant Kino on targets since my first LR a year and a half ago, there should be a quite a few mentions on the DPUA site.

Kino as much as you can as early as you can?

Sure; but I’m saying after 30 minutes it never stops.

Thanks for the reply.