A Radical Approach to Learning Game REALLY Fast

I wanted to introduce you to another ‘partner in crime’ if you will.  His name is Mercutio.  He’s on a pretty advanced level of his game so he can see the insights (Matrix, if you will) and break shit down.  I think he and I have totally different styles of game but the thing is, we are both very good at what we do.  But the point is, I love spreading different ideas of what works.  The way, in my opinion, to really get good is to take what works for you from different guys and build your own badass skillset.

I plan on having Mercutio write a guest article (or 2) in the future for my blog, but for now, I thought THIS particular post was too valuable to NOT post.  So, check it check it out.  Enjoi. ~Ronnie

Themesong:

A Radical Approach to Learning Game REALLY Fast

« on: February 13, 2013, 03:05 PM »

As some of you know, I’ve been learning french. Kinda a necessity here in France lol.

My opinion — learning a language and game at the same time will get you good at game about 4 times faster, and help you reach a higher level than you would without it.

Did you know that your 3rd or 4th language is about 3-4 times easier to learn than you 2nd? People who learn Esperanto and then another language are better at that other language than people who took only that language. It SEEMS like a waste of time to learn Esperanto, but the fact is the mental framework of how to mentally EXIST in another reality has been created, and now it is easy to learn another language. And in a way, GAME is learning how to exist and think in another reality.

I think the struggles of learning a language would DRASTICALLY benefit most game noobs, bc they have so much of the same learning elements. It will streamline your learning process and help you avoid A LOT of the pitfalls of learning game. Plus, at the end of it, you will be really good with women AND bilingual.

Similarities:

– It’s something that you at first think is IMPOSSIBLE. You are almost afraid to try.

– People think people just have some ‘talent’ that they are born with for it. ‘I just don’t have the ‘gift”. Or they think that if you didn’t learn it by a certain age, you are doomed.

– Starting conversations is EXTREMELY uncomfortable at first. There is REAL FEAR there. At every moment, you will want to escape (to revert to english, or to go back to drinking beer and talking about game with your wings instead of approaching). But I promise you, that is the direction of success. There is no other way to speak a language than to speak a language — you have to jump in sometime, and it is always scary at first.

– There is a ‘fake’ success level. This is hugely important. Ever met someone that claims they can speak English, but then you talk to them and they are like ‘no, you no go there’ or ‘yes, me do that’? Yeah, we can understand them, but its not fluent. But they THINK they are fluent. SAME WITH GAME. There’s a lot of guys out there that are getting laid kinda often by kinda attractive girls — just enough for them to think that they are ‘fluent’. But the truth is, there is always a lot more room for improvement, and when you are fluent, you will KNOW it. The success is like a dam breaking.

The FIELD is KING. A LOT more people can write french than can speak it live. Well, there’s a LOT of people that can write about how to get girls, but can’t do it live either. You can study grammar and vocabulary all day, but if you aren’t out there practicing with REAL LIVE people, you will not be fluent. Plus you will learn to follow the field over theory… if the natives are using this slang now, it doesn’t matter what your fucking book is telling you… that slang is the truth. This will often conflict with the ‘keyboard theorists’, who will hate you, but you should trust your field experience.
-A corollary to this is to ‘follow the pro’s’ — if a native says it like that, it’s probably right. If you see a guy who gets girls do it and get laid, it probably works too.

-A focus on an actual GOAL. My goal in french is not to be the guy that knows every single vocabulary word, or the guy who knows all the grammar rules. My goal is to be able to communicate fluently.
Same with game — your goal in game should not be to be the guy that knows every single theory of every single coach out there, but to be the guy that is absolutely awesome in the field and pulls hot girls. That is the only goal. Stop giving a shit about being well respected on the forum, or being seen as a future ‘coach’ and be the guy that performs extremely well , and you will get everything in the process. If you learn a language at the same time as game, this truth will be self-evident and the lesson will translate across to your game learning without you even thinking about it.

-The more you learn, the more you learn. It’s a J-curve. In the beginning, progress will be brutally slow. You will want to give up. Nothing is coordinated, and you don’t know enough words to make it through basically any sentence. In starting game, you will know a little, but likely not enough to make it through sets successfully. But then this all changes. The more you learn, the more you open the door to learning more. You will be better at speaking, so more people will be willing to speak with you, so you learn more. You aren’t getting shot down off the bat, so your sets last 5-10 mins, instead of 15 seconds. There is a CLEAR tipping point in game, where all of a sudden momentum is on your side and you know enough to REALLY start to learn more.

– Just like a language, game is something that once you are good at it, you don’t even have to THINK about. You almost forget you know it, or how incredibly much you actually know. It’s immensely frustrating for someone who knows it to try and teach someone who doesn’t, bc its just instinctive. It’s like ‘oh shit, you don’t know what ‘triangle’ means?’ ‘I dunno why, it just SOUNDS right, that would work’. ‘How could you have thought that girl DIDN’T like you — she was giving you the sign to take her home!!’
– At the same time, its also REALLY annoying to be fluent, and have someone who isn’t correct you on how to do it bc they read it in a book.

– It’s like a subscript that is running without you even knowing it. Just like how in French I am translating into English without even thinking, in game I am translating into meaning the same way, instantly and instinctively. ‘Ahh, that move was too needy’ ‘That guy is being too chill — that’s gotta be her husband’ etc…

-It gets “quicker” – remember how Mystery said at first game is just racing by you, but then later it just slows down. Same with a language — at first you are overwhelmed, you’re like ‘I CAN’T THINK THAT FAST!!!’ Then like three weeks later, you are like, wow, holy shit, I have all this time to think.

– You have REALLY bad days, and REALLY good days. Some days, you feel like a king — you can understand like everything. Then there are days that you just can’t understand shit and you feel embarrassed. Learning a language will teach you patience.

– Teaches you how to avoid VAPOR-LOCK – this is what I call ‘I am thinking too much, I don’t know what to say’ syndrome. I fuck up ALL THE TIME in french, but it’s better to fuck it up and get the meaning across, than to pause and pause and pause while I compute all the grammar in order to say it perfectly. The lesson from this is to keep what you have running in your mind decently light and not overload your mental capacities. Now, still strive to improve, but in the field, you need to be able to flow and allow mistakes.

– Teaches you to be consistent a little at a time. Just a little bit of practice each day will make a huge difference.

– It is easily maintained, but you lose it decently quick if you let it rot — every guy on this forum has had great game at one point in time, then got a gf, then broke up and had to re-learn some shit. It doesn’t take a lot to keep yourself in tip-top shape, always practice your game even if you wouldn’t actually follow through on it.

Anyways, there’s a lot more. But I honestly, honestly, honestly, think every newb should learn a language at the same time they are learning game. The principles cross over perfectly, and you will have learned how to learn game in a very efficient manner that will make I think will cut your learning time down by at least half, likely more. Plus, you will be bilingual, which is fucking awesome. Btw, knowing even just an ounce of another language in America is an instant deal-sealer with any girl that speaks it. My french gets me laid in America by girls that can speak even a basic level — plus it gives us an inside conspiracy element. With spanish, you will have to know more to be impressive, but if you know even 300 words in Russian, you will get laid at least twice a year in River North with Eastern Europeans, Ukrainians, and Russians.

-Merc

How do you think this can improve your overall skillset with women?

Do you have ideas or thoughts to add to this and share?  I would like to hear them.

Want to know more about Mercutio?  Stay Tuned.

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RSVP: An In-Field How-To Guide for Fast Social Circle Game

(This is like FAST Social Circle style game created by one of my Wings back when I was in Detroit. This post was also posted on the Mastermind section of masf back in the day. ~Ronnie)

Themesong:

by Sonics (retired) » November 15th, 2009, 4:05 pm
RSVP: An In-Field How-To Guide

Disclaimer: This Was Written For Educational Purposes Only

For my fellow deep thinkers in shallow thought:

When I’m out gaming I have two main ways of playing: Moment Game which is more of a solo feel or RSVP, which is a group oriented thing that I like to do, or an everybody I’m with gets to play type thing… RSVP is much more tangible as you’ll hopefully see

RSVP is my natural process, at least what my natural pull from the venue process has become… just assigned an acronym to it, once I found the acronym not only did my game improve but you can cut the process down to 30 seconds and pull girls around the venue, very consistently. It by no means is something to live by or to use as a strict rule, but for certain aspects of game, for me, it’s a good guideline.

Think of RSVP as a routine pick-up or a routine bounce. The process and result becomes routine.

My Goal with This Post:

To have everyone (that wants to) reading this with a basic skill set be able to do a 5-30 second RSVP Quick Bounce tonight.

RSVP:

Basic Skill Level:

Eye Contact, Smile, Good Body Language, Loud Enough, Un-limiting Beliefs (at least the belief that RSVP will work… it does, trust)

Hopeless newbies, if they truly exist, can pull this off with a little willingness and some guidance… I’ve gotten one of the most socially awkward guys I’ve ever seen to do this first try, he stumbled through the process and got even more nervous as soon as it worked, like “holy shit, this girl is smiling and following me to the table” nervous… pretty funny in a proud way (Hopeless newbies are only hopeless if they aren’t willing, my anxiety was much worse than his when I got started, I had it bad)

I wrote this as if I were a newbie with only basic community knowledge reading it, so the post came out LONG, IOW this post is very much a “how-to”

The quick bounce might feel mechanical at first but once you get the hang of it “or get the training wheels off” aka being able to improvise it and forgetting about the RSVP structure altogether it becomes fluid and second nature and also a great tool for the field, if you choose to you’ll be used to pulling girls around the venue to a table with you in no time… have fun with it… run the structure, attain the belief, and, if you can, forget you ever read this…

RSVP Quick Bounce in its rawest simplest form:

First have your friends/wings take a seat somewhere… then… go up to a set

PUA: Hey what’s up, you guys having a good night?
HBs: yeah
PUA: I’m actually sitting over there with my friends… let me see your hand [grabs HB’s hand, spin/twirls her around] You know what… you guys are actually pretty cool, come on [pulls set to table]

It’s that easy.

Further explanation below…

RSVP:

Rapport
Seed
Value
Pull

RSVP Quick Bounce:

5-30 second in Venue Group Bounces/Pulls:

In-venue…

Indirect will pull the SET…

If you go direct, mean it and make sure you calibrate it, calibrate everything, it still works consistently and if you’re comfortable with that then that’s the route I recommend you go… I’d save the actual direct interest (SOI) until your back at the table with a second set; but do what you want, you’re going to anyway

Indirect will pull the SET

The Quick Bounce is a group conscious social (on the surface) thing, meaning you’re taking care of your friends while simultaneously setting yourself up with your target. It also gets people involved that might not have been involved otherwise, guys with wicked AA or your non-pickup friends that don’t approach get to chat and possibly hook-up with some girls too… girls want to be social, remember that.

How-To:

(The following are the Steps followed by numbered examples (all field tested) but I encourage you to think of your own and once you get a feel for it freestyle your quick bounces)

Rapport:

Is Assumed… In the quick bounce you’re most likely not going to hit real rapport as soon as you walk up, just do or say something that someone in rapport would do or say… Feels like–> Same page, welcome, cool, chill, mutual, small teases will open the door to rapport… calibrate to the vibe, energy, environment, and maturity level of the set then do/say something like one of the following:

1) Introduce yourself
2) “What’s up”
3) “How ya guys doing?”

Seed:

1) TC while Seeding the pull/bounce/isolation
2) “Real quick… I gotta get back to my friends”
3) “I only have a second, my friends and I got a table”

*TC not needed

Value:

(Own the set at this point (smile) all eyes on you)

The following are some ways to Give Value with some examples:
(You only need ONE of the examples for the V part… Just pick one or two of the examples (or use your own), string them together then pull the set)

Cold/Warm Read

1) You’re the one that’s going to find fun, you’re the one that’s going to take all the fun as it comes, and you… wait, who are you… you’re either the shy one or the driver
2) You guys look like you’re out for a chill night
3) You guys have some Crazy energy

Group Name

1) Charlie’s Angels
2) The Brady Bunch
3) Tyra’s Top Models (intro to your group with sarcastic laughter “just kidding, but you guys are pretty cute” pull–>push–>pull)

Individual Nicknames

1) Mary and Poppins
2) Tweedle Dee and Tweedle… Well [nod knowingly]
3) Cherry & Vanilla/ Cookies & Cream

Good Kino

1) Hand hold
2) Leading her from lower back
3) Couple Kino
4) Playful Push

Role Plays

1) OMG!! Hide Me!!
2) Employee of the month
3) Body Guards
4) Instant Dates/Group Date

Spin Moves

1) Grab/Hold hand and spin her (super simple and effective)
2) Group Spins

State Pumps

1) Social Circle Cheers
2) Improv Game (TD’s thing)
3) Ninja/Bear/Cowboy
4) Any fun/funny thing you can think of that they do with you

Teach Her/Them Something

1) Limes in Coronas

Genuine Interest/Direct

1) You guys have a really cool style, I just wanted to stop and hi
2) My god, you’re beautiful…

Giving A Piece of Yourself (info about you)

1) I just got down here from xxx
2) I’m on vacation

Pull:

Don’t ask, and lead…

1) You know what, you guys are pretty cool, I want you to meet some of my friends
2) You know what, follow me
3) Come with me
4) C’mon

Token resistance is common, especially if you’re doing the 10 second version… just smile and say “C’mon… C’mon” DO NOT STEP BACK TOWARDS THE SET… I’ve seen guys do this… WRONG (there are exceptions to this; but for the most part DO NOT STEP BACK TOWARDS THE SET)

There might be a small amount of fluff between the steps and the more value you give them the more enthused they are about the pull; but the above only lasts for about 30 seconds and you own a set… they follow you to where you’re going.

During the move around the venue you can do the arm in arm thing that Mystery talks about or grab one or more of their hands to lead them to where you’re going, or arm around one’s back hand hold the other (like Group Couple Kino (Insta-Dates/Group Date Role Play)), or if it’s super busy have them all interlock arms or hold hands and pull them through the crowd

Make sure to accomplishment intro your friend(s) on the way to the table.

The set is now yours to play with, they lock in with you, tone it down and GET TO KNOW YOUR TARGET, by the time you’re at the table the Kino is ideally Constant (Constant Kino)

Do this a few times and you and your friends have an in-venue party. You become the sets’ base group. It’s neat when girls you’ve known for a minute make sure their friends stay with you to keep themselves locked in…

The first set you bring back ALWAYS likes you more when you bring the second set… it’s beautiful… if it’s your first time pulling more than one set to your table, sit back and watch the dynamic when you get the chance, it’s pretty… this is also when it gets fun. Make it quick, 10 minutes max to getting the sets there. They never know what’s going on… lol …it’s a mixer… Isolating from one of these groups is simple

You don’t necessarily need a table, just a lock-in place (like a wall) or if it’s a chill place get your friends by a pool table… but know that the girls will psychologically lock-in if you have a table and you’ll get that group vibe close quarters jealousy plot as well… (a table/place to sit is better than an area where everyone stands, unless you’re just dropping off an obstacle(s) then it doesn’t matter.)

Your Social Value/Proof in the room sky rockets, especially amongst your sets. (If appropriate, sprinkle in some compliance based state pumps to keep the party going)

RSVP in its Rawest, Simplest, Least Fun, Yet Effective Form:

PUA: Hey what’s up, you guys having a good night?
HBs: yeah (R)
PUA: I only have second, I’m sitting over there with my friends (S)… but here, let me see your hand [grabs HBs hand, spin/twirls her/them around] You know what… you guys are actually pretty cool (V), come on, I want you to meet my friends [pulls set to table] (P)

…10 seconds

Like I said earlier it might feel mechanical at first, but you’ll get the hang of it (it’s actually kind of fun to act like a robot when doing it)

The Behavior Rule:

Everybody knows the 3-Second rule… That’s great if you’re just starting off or you haven’t been out in awhile to just get a set out of the way and your nerves at bay; but for RSVP (or IMO all aspects of pick-up) it’s Not Always the best route.

Quickly observe the sets behavior: high-energy, low-energy, sleepy, chatty, super happy, bored, deep rapport, fun night out, their body language, sitting, standing, moving, mixed, waiting, bouncing, looking around, empty drinks, texting, dancing, swinging bottles… I admit that that takes much less than 3 seconds… instantly at a glance you guys should know what’s up or at least have a general idea of what’s going on in their set (if you don’t have this ability yet, just keep going into sets and it’ll happen over time, observe guess and go)

The reason I like the behavior rule more is because if the sets behavior tells you they’re waiting for a drink and you apply the 3-second rule you’ll be up at the bar with them waiting to buy a drink… if the competition is fierce go ahead, but if it’s a chill environment just wait it out.

Ideally standing sets with full drinks are best for this, they’re everywhere and require little to no effort on your part for the actual pull.

Do the in-venue quick bounce a couple times and you’ll get a feel for it.

Just remember standing sets are easier to move around, obviously, because they’re already standing. (Standing girls are also easier to disappear with for the same reason)

Troubleshooting:

If you’re getting a lot of hesitation when you do this it could be a couple things, some things to remember when doing this:
1) Smile
2) Have fun
3) String/stack some of your ways to give/assign value
4) Only Give Value
5) Make sure you’ve observed the whole set
6) Calibrated to their energy, the environment, perceived maturity, and vibe
7) It Works Belief (I truly believe that every standing set wants to quick bounce)
Seating does become a problem during the weekend… use your head on this one/improvise
9) Learn as you go… play with it… be charming and learn as you go, this is a simple process. You can all do this tonight…

**For the real pull**

This is how RSVP originated (I wrote a post called “After Party Routine” about a year ago, this is what I was unknowingly doing minus the P, it was all time-bridged and it still works; but personally I like this more because of quality time and the venue changing) It’s a little bit harder to explain in specific detail because every set is different… super simple to do but a little tough to explain. You’re hitting rapport, dropping your seed, openly sharing/exchanging value, then pulling out of the venue based on your seed planted earlier or your new plan… simple as that. Don’t think about it, just do it. I’ve gotten a lot of sex from this.

In short:

RSVP Out of Venue Pull:

(Set/target leaves out of the venue with you to new place or destination)

No quick bounce or wings necessary, not necessarily linear (RSVP to a table or join a set, then RSVP out of the venue (only one playable set needed), standing sets are easier to move around, seated sets are easier to pick up (for me at least))

Most important thing to remember, when you’re going to venue change or pull out of the venue, that many people I’ve been out gaming with seem to disregard is to STAY IN SET… why the hell do people keep ejecting out of sets? Unless you get blown-out or are ejecting for a legitimate or tactical reason, STAY IN YOUR SETS. Growth/knowledge/calibration will come from staying in your sets and seeing it through. You’ll learn which sets are wasting your time by staying in sets that had wasted your time; likewise, you’ll learn which sets are worth your time by staying in set and seeing it through. Use your little head and your gut to decide on whether or not to eject… Premature-Ejectulation is not a blow-out; it’s avoidable and non-productive on so many levels. Just stay in set… You don’t need game with flash to get ass… trust me. If the set wants to pull, your game is done, at that point feel free to wander… until then STAY IN SET…

How-To:
(The steps)

Rapport:

Hooked set, set likes you, same page, cool with each other, real, smooth sailing, chill, friends with potential benefits feel, good vibes, mutual, relaxed, comfortable, locked-in, remember small teases open the door to rapport

Seed the pull:

Near the beginning drop your seed to plant the pull and also to check for enthusiasm. This also involves getting their logistics, or figuring out what their plans are for the near future. If the logistics are seriously bad, time-bridge and move on

Sharing/Exchanging Value:

Run the set for however long you feel necessary, exchange stories, get to know each other, enjoy yourself and play your game… talking/hanging out

Pull:

The group is ready to pull when all the girls (only the girls you want to pull) are putting in effort or have invested effort into the interaction with you, along with other social observations like empty drinks and closing time

Pull the set by bringing up the seed and leaving the venue or by going along with a new plan (going with them for instance) Many times the girls will WANT to leave with you. Going to their/her place is better and more consistent. If driving is involved either get in the car with them or have a wing jump in with them to help with directions… The sets impression of your wings does depend on whether or not they will pull… so, have good wings or don’t get them involved

(ATTAIN THE BELIEF and forget the structure.)

Once you have the belief and you know what to look for in BL, their effort, and vibe, pulling becomes second nature.

IF The Set Will Not Pull:

Watch the set when you go for the pull (really always be focused)… then, if they aren’t going to pull, time-bridge if they hesitate too much to pull and/or also if you have an actual time constraint to be somewhere… time-bride her/them based on your seed or topic in your conversation…

Regularly succeed at a goal (in this case pulling) and you’ve created a skill…

Have Fun,

-Sonics

 

Questions, comments or just some love…  As Always