Constant Kino 2.0 (Revisited)

I think this is a good clarification on Kino, and how to create that lasting, escalation type connection and keep it going.   If you’re wondering what all this is about, go back and read Constant Kino and A Short Cut Through Kino Escalation.  This is a followup to that post.

Here are some replies to that post from other forums.  I’ll post them and my responces to help clear up any questions you lurkers and other guys might have had.

REPLY #1
“Fascinating. I do have a few questions. So, what exactly do you mean by “constant” if you’re saying that it shouldn’t actually be constant? You need to touch her 50% of the time that you’re together, 90% but factor extra time when you’re not close enough to touch? Also, what type of touch would you recommend and in what proportion? Obviously you want to go easy on the sexy touch styles on non-sexy areas (slow and very lightly, regularly arrythmic, patterned pressure, etc. etc.). Comfortable touches like aren’t-we-awesome-friends would be the staple, but that’s a wide open field. Should your body language be more protective when you’re using this type of contact, or should you be more independent? What’s the objective in direct terms- is it to make the girl as comfortable as possible, or to make her enjoy your presence, or to feel intimate?

Good concept- I will use this.”

Thanks man,Kino

(I’m going to try to answer your questions, while also explaining it a little more.)
Sorry about the confusion, It should be constant… just not to the point where you are taking her everywhere you want to go…

Here’s the rule I use:
“If she’s close enough to touch her, I will.”
(Once you guys are comfortable with one another, you be the judge here (better to do than to think, assume attraction and comfort from the get go <someone that was right>)

By touch I mean ANY PART of my body is in CONTACT with any part of HER BODY.

I didn’t write my rule in the original post because I thought if some weird guy was reading it he’d be putting his weird paws all over a girl in weird ways and him not knowing what he’s doing is weeeird! Here’s a way to not be weird… be comfortable with being touched and be comfortable with touching a girl. Think of touch as “No big deal” and then you can start with the Constant Kino.

Ideally 100% of the time she’s in range and she’s being good. A lot of the time it just won’t seem right, like you just started hanging out with a girl and she’s giving you the not yet vibe. “Let’s see if you fit” or at most after about 30 minutes on the day 2 you should be very very close to having it 100%. (After car time if you drove together)

If you’re at a bar it’s really easy to get it. Try sitting with a set at a table and take up space… spread your legs while you’re sitting and have your legs/knees touching both girls in the set while you’re talking and listening to them talk; this sets up a neat interaction. Remember, it’s normal for YOU to be doing this. Not a rule; but to me it feels more natural to go Constant Kino on a re-open, if not on a day 2, on a day 2 she wants it Constant as much as you do.

You’ll also notice that even when you’re not talking directly to the girl even with the slightest form of this that the person will listen to you more intently, even if it’s been there for a few minutes.

Think of this, you’re at a table next to your target and in comes an interrupt or she starts talking to someone else. (Girls that are sitting are easier to pick up.) If your legs are spread and one of them is up against her leg, she knows you’re there and she likes the fact that it is touching her so why not let her talk to whomever she wants? You’re not claiming her; but it’s still decided. The fact that she doesn’t move the leg away should be enough for you to know. Stare Decisis <Latin for decision final or to stand by the decision> She’ll be back to you in a second if you were doing well before the interrupt. Now if some douche PUA (I’ll write PUA because natural or not he’s there to get your girl) comes into your set trying to impress his friends by swooping your chick and you feel that ignoring the guy isn’t in your best interest, proceed to normal befriending and if necessary AMOGing. (I like a combination of the both, sort of like push pull. <Swinggcat has a lot of good theory on push pull> Also note that a lot of the time these guys make great terrible wings). I’ve never had a real AMOG come into my sets, just douche’s. “Hey ladies can I buy you a drink?” … douche’s.

What type of touches would I recommend?

All kinds. You’re still going to have to escalate just keep it constant…

Aren’t-we-awesome-friends type touches?

I’ve never really hit the LJBF zone for too long, so yeah.

Protective touches?

No, not unless you have to push her out of the way of a speeding bus or similar.

Independent touching?

Yes definitely be independent. It shouldn’t bother you in the slightest if you see this as a playful game. I laugh when a girl wants me to stop; really, I chuckle and stop till later. If it’s getting late and the girl has been teasing me for an hour, I’ll get up and leave and say something like “this is too much for me, I’m gonna explode if I don’t leave” (a real take away, after all the little freeze outs <MM> then get up and leave. She’ll chase, I’ll give her one more chance for the full close, if she still doesn’t want to then maybe there’ll be a day 3. I haven’t gone past a day 3 without full monty since High school, I won’t. The real stuff happens after sex <All PUA’s to the best of my knowledge>

What’s the objective in direct terms?

I would say the point of this is to get her comfortable with touching you while at the same time having her actually like touching you. Pick up is two ways. You can then take it any direction you want by how you escalate the situation. La la la we like touching each other, Foreplay dry humping heavy petting with make outs, or experimental vibrating egg in her ass sex. It’s great for all types of relationships.

Thanks for your reply.

REPLY #2
“I gotta be the one ask bro, but doesn’t that Lance Mason pickup 101 already teach this idea to ppl? I mean he doesn’t call it constant kino but his examples straight from the Cliff’s list videos suggest kinoing the chick with a HI-5 and then grabbing the hand and holding it while you talk. OR directing her attention to something at the same time as you kino her (arm around back or shoulders) and continue talking to get that kino going then keeping it. Your technique and what he teaches sound very similar except he sort of suggests that if you are congruent you can do it right away; in other words if you’re “that guy” who just seems to touch people naturally then you can start extended kino from the start with a little calibration.

His idea is Kino as much as you can as early as you can for extended periods with the occasional mysery throwoff or pushaway but done more playful as opposed to dicky.

So I guess Im wondering, is there a difference and what are they or is it just your way of explaining the concept?”

Cool,

The idea behind this has been known for ever and a day. For me it started with PDA and my virginity girl back in High School… we always touched each other. Always. PDA couple of the world! People or not we were touching. Purpose or not, we were touching.

L Mason was onto something, and he’s probably pretty dope in field he most likely even uses Constant Kino; but I feel like his technique with the high five hand grab behind the back finger fan thing was made for flash, for students to say “WoW”, kind of like Mehow’s Pure Kino (both are awesome for demos)… I’m not talking smack here, these guys know their shit.

Kino 2There is nothing spectacular about what I’m trying to explain here… I really don’t believe I’ve ever read or heard anything about this before. So you’re in set and for some reason your knees are touching this girl? So what? Not at all intrusive, nothing big going on, low pressure, you’re not facing the girl, she’s next to you, the only thing is, is your knee is touching her at all times.

In my last reply I almost wrote that Constant Kino is all touching without touching (w/o using your hands). Can you see what I’m saying here? I didn’t write that because the idea behind this is in the name, Constant Kino is all Kino, at ALL TIMES, keep it Constant. You still can do whatever kino you were doing before just always be doing some kind. I’ve never read anywhere to be in set and have the toes of your shoes touching while you converse.

The base line of this kind of Kino would probably be called Proximity Kino in community terms. But the idea behind what I’m writing is to always be, constantly, at least having Proximity Kino going on.

At the beginning of my original post I wrote that people have most likely been doing this naturally for years, like those old couples that always touch, affectionate or just proximity, they’re touching. (I used old people because they’re just so darn cute and they’ve been around longer than the community.

Picture this, you walk into a girls apartment and she has 4 friends over and they are all hanging all over each other leaning this way and that one has her leg over two others while another has her head in ones lap watching TV, I’ve seen this in real life on a Friday night, crazy. That is Constant Kino. They’re not trying to hook up with each other, they just love touch, that feeling of belonging.

Call it whatever you want, Extended Kino, Continuous Kino, Infinity Kino, I personally like Constant Kino… Like when it all boils down there is still this constant that is always there, constantly. Mainly this idea was and is for me, I’m just sharing it with the few that pay attention.

I wrote this hoping to help guys, not to invent something new. However, I don’t believe it’s ever been explained as clear as this before. I’ve been writing about Constant Kino on targets since my first LR a year and a half ago, there should be a quite a few mentions on the DPUA site.

Kino as much as you can as early as you can?

Sure; but I’m saying after 30 minutes it never stops.

Thanks for the reply.

-Sonics

Zan Perrion’s Notes – A Must Read for Anyone Interested in Seduction or even Dating

I am on a post stealing frenzy finding good shit that has been buried and may never see the light of day again (this is from the blog www.becomingapua.com) – go ahead.  Click on it.  You will see that it no longer exists.  I am simply playing the following card:

But this is all PURE GOLD or I wouldn’t even bother to post this. If you are new or you are medium or even advanced this post it fucking gold. Read it, own it, love it.  Love on it if you want.  I don’t judge. 😉

If you are a man or a woman you will see the value in this post.  It’s written from a guy TO girl perspective, however, I am sure my women readers will get why this is a good post for both guys and dolls.

Enjoi. Some of the stuff in here is well known by many. Some of it is not. But the mindset and the way he says it is why I like it. We should already know this. We DO already know this. But sometimes we forget or we don’t believe it’s true.

So girls, guys, comment on this.  I wanna know if you agree, disagree or have some cool ass additions. ~Ronnie L

Themesong:

Zan Perrion’s Notes

Who doesn’t know Zan Perrion? If you don’t know Zan then you don’t belong in the community. The guy is a modern day Casanova, but he considers himself a modern day Voltaire. Here are his notes on getting women:

Notes: 

    – Why do we hesitate when we see a pretty girl walking towards us. We want to walk up to her and say, “Hi, I’m _____.” Why do we not do that? FEAR OF REJECTION.
    – We are afraid she’ll reject us as a man. We feel she’ll validate our manliness.
    – We’re conditioned. It hurts to approach.
    – We could all draw, sing, etc. when we were four years old. In school we compare ourselves to others that we are not good enough.
    – Everything you want, everything you desire is outside your comfort zone. If it wasn’t, we’d already have it.
    – No matter what the girl says we turn around and say “I’m not tall enough, rich enough . . .? She doesn’t have to reject us. We’ve already rejected ourselves.
    – We allow her to live rent free in our heads. We allow her to dictate our day.
    – We’ve already rejected ourselves, she’s just agreeing.
    – Most girls ask, “What do you do for a living?” to find out what we believe we are.
    – We have the right to say hello to her. We are men. We stand on the earth.
    – When asking girls, they say “Where are all the real men, men who believe who they are?”
    – What kind of girls put men in LJBF (lets just be friends) zone? Trick question, we put ourselves in the LJBF zone. In the way we talk, stand . . .
    – We feel, especially in North America, that we can’t show our sexuality cause it’ll make them uncomfortable.
    – Women are desperate for men who know who they are, what they want, no resumption and how dare we take that away from her.
      5 Categories Women Put Guys In:
      1. Guy is giving me a creepy feeling
      2. Completely indifferent
      3. Guys nice. Friend zone
      4. This guy is potential. Potential relationship
      5. I could jump in bed with this guy
    – He tells a girl right away what he wants, “I’m not like any man you’ve ever met, there is something about you, though I don’t know what it is.”
    – Without neediness/clinginess
    – You have a name and you didn’t think you have the right to talk to a girl?
    – In your direct bloodline your relative carried a sword, and you’re afraid of talking to a girl?
    – Women want men to approach them as sexual creatures.
    – How does a woman know you’re honest? By telling them you’re honest. “I’m not going to just be friends with you, why look at you?”

– Guys who are good with women are cause they are at ease with themselves. We get to choose

    – Opening line isn’t key. It’s approaching. You can never love women if you don’t love yourself. You can manipulate them but not love them.
    – Women will only feel cheated if you misrepresented how long the relationship will be
    – The goal is to have women as friends in your life.
    – NEVER KISS AND TELL, cause it’s respect. You don’t have to worry about your reputation, but she does.
    – The whole concept to him is that if you misrepresent yourself, you’ve cheated her (i.e. buying her affection)
    – If a girl says, “Are you asking me out?” You say, “Of course I am, look at you.”
    – Girls want guys who know what they want.
    – LEAD! NEVER FOLLOW.
    – It’s stating who you are without apology. Stand in your place.
    – All women are your girls. You make that girl shine, cause that’s who you are.
    – If they look hot, it’s a gift to you. Make them feel pretty, and they’ll never forget you
    – Zan never approaches a woman with a goal of getting her on a date, #, etc. His goal is he likes pretty girls, you’re just in the moment with her.
    – A phone # voluntarily given to you will mean she’ll answer
    – Trust the process. The fact you know you’re a man. Cause you have the right
    – Never respond to their challenge. They are fantastic at acting offended. Just say, “What are you talking about?” Laugh it off, play it off.
    – Never dial yourself down. It’s your mission to make them feel beautiful.
    – We are driven by our obligations (i.e. more money)
    – Be pulled through life by a vision of what you want
    – You don’t have to do anything
    – Women like nice guys, cause they are so attentive.
    – They don’t like clinginess of guys.
    – We have no interesting life cause we choose not to. Never let a girl push you backwards.
    – You’ll have women in your life if you believe that and it’s your choice.
    – Decide today who you’re going to be, don’t cheat women out of it. That’s what women want in men.
      Story
      – He mentors guys all over the world. I don’t know how to escalate into sexual mode. He doesn’t do anything cause he’s there from the beginning. Cause he lets them know who he is. She’ll say, “I have a boyfriend”, you say “Of course you do, look at you.”
      – When he talked to an engaged girl he knew she couldn’t go out with him and she knew he couldn’t go out with her, so he said, “I know, but isn’t it fun to think about?: Make her feel pretty and smile. You’ll get girls giving you #’s and begging them cause you make them feel alive.
    – Respect them and have fun.
    – I.e. “You look great in that dress.”
    – Never defend. If she says, why did you leave me to talk to her, say, “Of course, did you look at her!?”

    – Everything you do with a woman should be enormous fun. Smile and wink at everyone.
    – Don’t be aggressive and presumptuous. You have to be sincere. ALWAYS BE HONEST. But always lie, but get caught in the lie. It should be fun, fun for you and her.
    – Women are able to sniff out your motives from afar.
    – Never mask your desires, without presumption.
    – Doesn’t mean you’ll sleep with her, but emit that sexual energy.
    – How do you break up with a girl? He never breaks up with a girl, he’s just not around
      Two Tracks In A Woman’s Mind
      1. Her desire for security, comfort, longevity, safety, children.
      2. Just as valid and just as cirtical to her living. Passion, whirlwind, romance novels.
    – Ideally she wants both tracks from one guy
    – If she just has 1 track, she’ll seek out the 2nd track. It’s nature.
    – Zan is a dreamer. He believes in women, and makes them believe in themselves.
    – Women crave romance novels as much as they crave water and air.
    – Take a woman on an emotional adventure. Cause everything in life is an adventure. It’s the concept of believing in adventure, cause they will too.
    – Start with your intention. You won’t apologize for who you are. You have the right to be who you are.
    – Why is it so important that the interaction is important? The opening line isn’t important. The thing that gives him the most fulfillment is the interaction with every girl. If you make the moment important you will get phone #’s and you will get girls wanting to sleep with you.
    – Every interaction should be sexual though not aggressive.
      Problem
      – we make long term promises on short term emotions
      Job
      – “I’m a treasure hunter, I’m on a mission.”
      – “I give women pleasure”
    – He loves the interaction/chemistry
    – Stand up, be a man, be honest
    – Understand what you want and be honest with her.
    – Lots of compassion for women all the bad things and good things created who you are today. Maybe those bad things, if they never existed, would not make you who you are today. You were attractive enough for me to approach today. You get to choose your steps tomorrow.
    – Choose from this day forward who you are
    – Everything is a choice. I’m not reacting to things that happened in my past. Get rid of the people in your life that drag you down.
    – Delight – If she’s not feeling like a queen. Then I’m not feeling like a King.
    – Grace – Move through life with grace.
    – He doesn’t work to get a girl, he wants girls who delight in life like he does.

Constant Kino and A Short Cut Through Kino Escalation

So much to add to my blog and so little time.  I gotta give people some breath, however I feel that my blog now is evolving based on my students’ needs and that’s cool by me.  But you don’t give a shit about all that 😉  On to the good stuff.

Another Article by Sonics – This time:

Subject: Constant Kino
Date: January 25th, 2008 02:36:44 PM (EST)

Author: sonics

Themesong:

(I got a question about Constant Kino on another forum, I started answering it and this is what came out… thought I’d post it for your guy’s eyes too.)

First off, Constant Kino isn’t really anything new… I just named it because it’s something I’ve noticed myself doing and I thought with a name it’d be easier for people to understand and able to help them more. I’m sure many of you readers have been doing this naturally forever; but this is for the guys who that haven’t been.

This isn’t like Mehow’s Pure Kino, which is like doing the trust test or a palm reading (I don’t read palms; but palm reading is an example of a Pure Kino Routine), Constant Kino is your legs touching each other’s while doing the palm read and remains constant after the palm read is over.

The actual constant thing doesn’t start until you actually know the girl a little… really, a half hour after knowing someone doesn’t mean you KNOW them know them; but that’s about how long it takes to get to this point, in most cases… you meet a girl get to know her then all of a sudden you guys are always touching…

It is by all means perfect for alone time, alone meaning just you and her. Day 2 stuff, special case bar girls : ), or maybe there just isn’t any room for anything but for Constant Kino to take place, like you met a girl while you were seated at a party on a packed couch.

It’s all in the name; you are constantly touching her, think of it as always having some kind of kino going on. Not you just keep touching her here and there throughout the interaction. You are always, constantly, touching her and she is always touching you as well by default, many times it will be the girl initiating it.

Think of subtle long lasting kino as the bottom line of this.

Say you’re watching a movie in the theatres (which still works as a completely acceptable day 2) and you guys are sharing an armrest with your elbows and forearms against one an others, or maybe your knees are touching.

That’s weak and basic but still what I mean by Constant Kino. I just wrote that example as a final way for you to have an idea of what it is you’re reading about.

I think of PDA as a public display. Constant Kino, while having many of the same “moves,” isn’t really for others to see. While PDA is Constant Kino, Constant Kino is also a term that explains what the lasting kino is when no one else is there to see. PDA should never stop, the people just need to leave : )

Like when you’re at one of your houses on the couch and she throws her feet on your lap or say you guys are cuddling. Like in my HBBcup LR, where our legs were touching while I was standing at the table, no one else could see, it wasn’t even a big deal, it was just happening, purposely.

Once you have Constant Kino going, and if the situation allows it PDA, sex is inevitable. The comfort and familiarity with touching each other has been going on since you first started hanging out, it’s then only natural to full close. You don’t need it; but when I’m running solid game Constant Kino is always there.

If you think about the word “Constant” you’ll remember to be doing it. Now you can sometimes draw attention to it; but for the most part it’s something neither of you two should be thinking about… which is kind of a contradiction since I told you to remember the term; just don’t make a big deal out of it happening while you’re making it happen.

This will sound a little AFC to the new guys; but think of you and the girl temporarily sharing your world, kino and all; that’s where you want to be. Get her here and it’s crazy what chicks will do.

OBVIOUSLY, you shouldn’t and can’t always be touching the girl. Leave the girl every once and awhile with her friends or your friends, then when you come back go Constant Kino again. Keep it subtle and discrete, not always PDA. The only person that really needs to know about the kino is the girl herself. That goes for all kino really. You don’t have to or even really want to be claiming the girl in front of others, unless you can tell that that’s what she wants. (Anybody with a decent level of female facial calibration will be able to tell if you’re claiming her to show the guy talking to her, (if her eyes stay locked on you while a guy is claiming her, she’s telling you to keep going) this just makes me lose respect for the guys. I used to be that guy)

Constant Kino is a shared thing, if the girl isn’t receptive yet, wash rinse and repeat later. That I suppose is where the escalation in this comes into play. Say you’re on a day 2 at the mall and you go for the hand hold, she’s not feelin’ it, you drop her hand. You do it again, she’s still not really feelin’ it, and you drop it again. A little later, for a third time you’re walking slightly in front of her, you go for it and she holds onto two and a half of your fingers like she’s been your chick for the last year. (Take her someplace secluded and go Constant Kino with your body parts (legs, arms, feet, back of hands, palms, etc.)… and escalate.)

It’s all the places you would normally touch; you’re just doing it constantly letting the kino continue.

Try this once you get the Constant Kino going: after you’ve been touching each other for a few hours break it off for no reason and watch her come back in or ask you “what’s wrong?”

Remember kino is a reward. If she’s bothering you in anyway, no kino!! Be playful with it, while making it something you just do.

Like I wrote at the top of this post, I’m sure a lot of you guys are doing this already, now, if you weren’t already, you can consciously add to your already existing skills in this area. This was more for the people that weren’t doing it already… Keep it constant guys… it’ll help.

Ways I’ve initiated the Constant Kino:

1) tickle attacks to snuggle kino

2) “Let’s see if you fit”

3) random hand placement (if you’re in her car just reach over and put your hand on her leg)

4) Grab her hands and put them on you

5) move her body parts (leg on top of your leg when side by side)

6) all sorts of close close proximity types

7) just the tips of your shoes

8 ) hand on her lower back

9) start it on the dance floor!!

10) Hugs with a spin into proximity shoulders touching

Thanks for reading.

If you have any relevant questions… fire away

-Sonics

Sidecar:

Subject: “Lets see if you fit…” *A shortcut through Kino Escalation*
Date: July 13th, 2007 07:32:34 PM (EDT)

Author: sonics

A Sonics original (to the best of my knowledge at least) … enjoy

*A short cut through Kino escalation*

This will help you get to that point of pushing the interaction towards a make out, or a ONS, or potential girlfriend, or FB, whatever… here it is, fun and easy:

“Let’s see if you fit”

Use this after you both like each other. Could be instant or it could be after awhile, no interaction is the same, it could be after you isolate, a lot of the time, for me, it’s after very little Kino has been exchanged or before any Kino has been established at all, you both wanna touch each other, this just helps that happen…

You’re sitting next to her and you make space for her to scoot in under your arm to do a sit up cuddle and say “let’s see if you fit” then you guys do a sit up cuddle.

Or

Simply stand next to her and say “Let’s see if you fit” with an arm out as if you’re inviting her to come in. Have her step in under your arm with your arm on her lower back…

Or

Hold out your hand and say “let’s see if it fits” and hold her hand, fingers interlocked below the waist in a “we’ve been dating” kind of way.

This has been field tested by me for the last month and a half and the girl will ALWAYS come in to see if she fits! So far for me anyway, and that’s a lot of different girls auditioning for the fit. Remember this is after attraction, the majority of the time it’s after all those IOI’s, after those shared stories, after you’ve felt each other out and feel comfortable with each other, most importantly when it feels right. I’ve yet to F this up; but probably will one day who knows. It’s worked for the guys I’ve told already too, so, if you want, I’m sure it will work for you too.

Make sure to act as if it’s no big deal, and just continue being yourself and doing the same thing you were doing before the Kino.

This is just one way and probably the best LINE so far I’ve found to initiate Constant Kino, which is huge in my game. I know it’s a line; but once you get here a couple times you’ll be able to think of a thousand different ways to get Constant/Comfort Kino.

This is perfect for the time spent together at the bar after a number close, or walking down the street to a new venue, and standard in isolation.

This is not the time to say no you don’t fit and throw her away, unless of course you still feel like playing and aren’t ready to take that step… cough <wuss> cough This is the beginning of your new playfully enjoyable and shared world. Think “couple Kino.”

Happy Flower Picking,

-Sonics

Sidecar II:  

I chose The Stooges because last night I was writing this at a bar in Chicago where I decided to go, and finish up work and at least give myself an opportunity to open sets while I was working.   Sooo.  Once I finished doling out homework, answering emails and posting this, this song came on so I made it the themesong.  PS – I like Iggy Pop and the Stooges anyway.

Did you know he actually helped fund and pay for the air conditioner for a place called Sweat Records in Miami, which is a Record Store that doubles as a coffeeshop?