The TIMEBRIDGE – or How to Properly “#close”

You know, I usually like to talk about more Intermediate to Advanced topics but something just struck me.  There are a LOT of guys out there who are being more and more misguided about what “success” in the game of seduction is all about.  These days you got Marketers that very well could be backed by big corporations (this is a theory a few of us share that maybe I’ll get into some time) watering down the tech with BAD ideas.  Now the catchphrases of guys like Simplepickup, for example, are “Get the Number!”  You got videos of guys on youtube dressing up in Fat Suits going up and getting phone numbers from women who they will never talk to again, and yet in the comments sections the poor saps who are clueless are commenting, “Wow man, These guys got GAME!”

Let me just say this, I don’t mean poor saps as a derogatory term either.  I mean it in a way to say they are being DUPED by creative marketing.  They have no frame of reference.  Unfortunately they don’t have the experience yet to see good advice vs bad advice.  They can’t tell the difference between Flash Game and actual Seduction. Shit, when I was NEW at this game, like about 10 years ago or so, and I was NOT really getting any action from women, guys around me who were friends would watch me and compliment me on my amazing game.  Needless to say I still had a lot to work on, but to the eyes of the uninitiated I looked like a player.  So believe you me, the marketers are taking advantage of these inexperienced guys.  When I see over a million views on a Simplepickup video it is evidence of that.  The problem is, it is NOT just them.  There are a whole host of inexperienced – Both Greenhorns (old seduction term meaning having a small amount of success but not still a long way to go) and Marketers who are simply teaching watered down seduction.

So let me start on my quest to try and bring a little of the Good Stuff back by posting a CLASSIC post about Phone Numbers.  It may be a little outdated by the fact that it was writted PRE-Text game and all that but the concept still holds true, and I believe it is essential for every New-Blood to learn.  It is Mystery’s Timebridge Post.  I will post it here giving full credit to Mystery.  The premise is, if you are getting a lot of phone numbers but still not pulling any ass – well it’s probably a lot to do with your mindset and your approach.  Here it is, UNEDITED (not even spaces) from it’s original format.  (PS – I gotta give credit where it’s due…  Mystery teaches with Venusian Arts – you can check them out at www.venusianarts.com)

Enjoi!

Subject: Building a Time Bridge (formerly # close)

Date: June 3rd, 2003 03:35:00 PM (EDT)

Group: alt.seduction.fast.advanced

Author: Mystery

1. a # close isn’t in fact a CLOSE.

2. there is only ONE TYPE of CLOSE: SEX.

3. a KISS CLOSE is NOT a CLOSE. it’s a RAPPORT BUILDING TACTIC. just as pulling the back of her hair or biting her neck are not HAIR PULLING CLOSES and NECK BITING CLOSES. They are RAPPORT BUILDING TACTICS.

What IS a Time Bridge?

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A time bridge is an OPTIONAL move in your game that you play ONLY IF you cannot follow the standard gameplan of EXTRACTION (formerly and similar to INSTANT DATING). If you both have the time and interest, isn’t it better to continue the sarge rather than try to continue it at another time? So the normal gameplan will have you saying something like, “I’m starved. Let me grab a bagle. Come join me” (day time), or “I need to grab an envelope from the post office, come keep me company” (day time) or “We’re on the guest list for a better club. Come with us.” (night time) or “I’m starved. Let’s head over to *night time eatery* for some *specific creative food* ” (night time).

Extraction BTW is the term we use when we wish to extract her from the MEET LOCATION and get her to another location (a RAPPORT LOCATION — which COULD also be a SEDUCTION LOCATION like her house but only if you have enough rapport alaready). ISOLATION happens when you get the target away from her group and sitting with you 1:1. extraction happens when you get her (and her group) out of the club or library and to another location for rapport building.

OK so she isn’t going to EXTRACT. Then what? Well, you try to build as much rapport as you can (Rapport = Comfort + Trust). You do this by performing specific comfort and trust building moves. then its time to build a TIME BRIDGE.

the purpose of a time bridge it to bridge the gap of time that keeps you apart.  You are with her NOW and the time bridge will allow you to be with her again in person so that you may continue the sarge (a sarge goes from MEET TO SEX and not from MEET TO #). Merely getting a # is NOT a bridge because a bridge must have two sides. a # does NOT have a definitive other side. you call and are left with trying to set a date to see eachother again. If only you did that in the FIRST PLACE, you wouldn’t even NEED her #. That is why one of the best time bridges is the LOCATION TIME BRIDGE. The idea: instead of getting merely a number (that is like a stairway to the clouds, not a bridge to a definitive time and place where you are with her again in person to continue the sarge) you set a TIME & PLACE to meet up again. You should be prepared with 2 or 3 OPTIONAL LOCATION TIME BRIDGES for when you can’t EXTRACT.

 

Some LOCATION TIME BRIDGE examples:

1. “I’m picking up some shoes at tomorrow. Come keep me company and we can window shop.”

2. “I’ve got to drop off some stuff to my sisters. Come keep me company for the drive. I’ll pick you up @ X:XX pm.”

3. “I have a dinner party in 2 weeks. You HAVE to come!”

Notice how you already have a REASON to SEE eachother in PERSON again. If you just got the #, you’d have to TRY to convince them to see you again. In a LOCATION TIME BRIDGE, you don’t even need to get her #. (If she flakes and doesn’t meet you at the LOCATION you specified, don’t think a # would have made the situation any better – at least you KNOW she isn’t interested. don’t get pissed if you get stood up; it’s better to get stood up than to deal with 2 weeks of phone blurring). So you don’t need to exchange #s. Exchanging #s conforms too much to the stereotypical DATING FRAME. If she won’t meet you again, then the problem was with your not building enough rapport in the first place.

In the above examples (if you have other example LOCATION TIME BRIDGES, please post), the first two examples do not require you to get her #. you MAY, but I don’t recommend it. Just make sure the locations you choose are conveniently near your house or where you plan on being anyways. dont go out of your way to meet a girl who MAY flake on you. In the 3rd example, you may get the #.  You’ve got 2 weeks to put together a dinner party! or better yet, call her the next day and use the phone to establish greater rapport. and maybe construct opportunities to have her meet you at a LOCATION at a specific time.

The point is, if you’ve built enough rapport to get her #, then it HAS to be enough to SEE HER AGAIN. If you get the # but she DOESN”T want to see you again in person, that’s a # that will BLUR anyways.

Now for the main reason why I began this post: I went to a mall yesterday and sat beside an old man in the crowded food court with my Made in Japan meal. He started to talk to me about this and that: how skateboards used to be just metal wheels on wood boards and not they are fiberglass and such. Well, I just wanted to eat my food. I nodded but didnt want to invest in the conversation (nothing personal, he was a nice enough man and all, just … not my type haaa). I was displaying to him IODs (Indicators of Disinterest). I didn’t want to say, “please don’t talk to me” as that would have been rude and confrontational. well, many women will find themselves in the same position (I’m thinking GWM — how he doesn’t care and will keep going til she either sleeps with him or tells him to screw off). There are several IODs and I conveyed a couple of them to this old man. I overted my eyes to him, I opened a magazine and flipped through it while he was talking, I got REALLY into my food and I answered his questions with one liner answers. Now Im not saying that you should GIVE UP when you get some IODs because you can always turn it around (the old man could have talked about something that fascinated me and I maybe would have shared a conversation with him — a note to how important it is to initiate an inherently INTERESTING conversation), but imagine if after this conversation with the old man that he tried to get my number. Think how fucked up THAT would be. I mean, I’ve gotten guys #s before. That’s how we make male friends and buds. But imagine if this old man wanted to ‘hang out’. I be like, “um, no thanks.” see, this is what a lot of guys put women thorugh. a brief 30 seconds boring talk and then they HIT ON THE GIRL by asking for her #. Women are ULTRA-SENSITIVE (at least the hot ones who have been hit on in this way a slew of times) to this. So when you DO attempt to construct a TIME BRIDGE, make it natural. have a REASON to see eachother again. build enough ATTRACTION and RAPPORT to MERIT her WANTING to hang with you again.

Don’t be the old man in this story.

Mystery

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The Seduction of Rainbow Dash Part 2

Tsod:

Continued from you clicking the previous post button… 😉

Where were we…  Oh ya.

So last time I left off – but to try and get some people learning in the Super Secret Forum, I basically challenged a couple guys with this:

I will buy a couple beers for the person who can actually finish the rest for me, as long as you are 80% accurate… 😉

I did, of course have someone answer that challenge.  His name is Matty-J.  So let me break this down.  The texts will be blue, Matty’s will be Gold and my writing will be this normal light greyish color…  This should be an interesting read.

« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2013, 03:26 PM »

Me: She texted me 15 minutes later and told me I seemed like a nice guy.

Her: “Hmm, he SEEMS like a nice guy” – Tommy Boy

She’s still not convinced, but is open to hearing more. she’s flirting here.

Good.

Me: So the next rational step I could think of was, “Hey . She seems cool and she seems to think I;m cool so we should go adventure in the city. I could show her some cool shit. I could take her to Wicker Park and maybe get her into some place to watch some punk bands or whatever and she could relate and go “Cool! I didn’t even know this part of the city was here!” And we could do the normal shit 2 cool people do together and have this fun.

think that it’s important that you choose a non-specific “safe” location and mentioned that YOU could get her into somewhere implying that she will be taken care of.  

and then you close with the best part which is .. bringing her to a safe place in her mind. 

who doesn’t love feeling like hey, cool I never knew this place was here!

combined with more rational logical subs.. 

Not exactly. What I was doing here was actually being REAL with her. I was salting and peppering the “real and logical” statements, because this is REALLY how I think. I’m an awesome, adventurous guy, with a lot of cool shit going on and all that, so I decided, I can be Mr Cocky Funny, or I can just tell her – “Look, this is who I am.”

Somtimes guys get stuck in Attraction and they forget to downshift and just have real moment “game” (if you want to call it that) for a bit where you show her who you are.

Her: Ah, shush. Alright alright. I need to get some research done first but I can meet you at 8. I’ll probably be at the coffee plac then anyway

sounds like a shit test…wall.. did you guys meet @ the coffee place? it would be a disaster if you ended the convo right here. not enough comfort

Not a shit test at ALL – Guys get in the mindset that everything is a shit test, or you always have to be gaming. I was just real with her so she is like, OK, I ‘ll be real back. At this point I could have actually just stopped the text and she most likely still would have been there. She made up her mind I was ok. However, I actually wanted to just play a little.

In person, when she bites what I am doing in this text is a NO NO! If a girl is ready to go to your place or make out or whatever key moment there is and you over-game, you’re OUT! You can do this in text, text can be fun. Just realize the difference between the two: Fun game in text vs Over game in person.

Me: HOWEVER !

there you go.. step around the wall 
like the however part too.. in caps +! strikes an emotional response of hmm.. what’s he gonna say next it must be important. 

In a way, yes but It’s only for fun. It’s not meant to be a serious line but, ya, it does go with the narrative and creating that sort of silly suspense.

Me: Apparently you have friends in the FBI and they must have found out about my Nefarious Underworld Connections, and that I’m not a cool guy at all but Really I’m one of the 5 Bosses of the Notorious Chicago Drug Cartel. I am surrounded at all times by my bitches and hoes and my collection of Gangster Clients.

now you’ve done it! your not only a cool rational normal guy but you also have a great sense of humor. the point of this is to build comfort with her to show her that.

The comfort was built (at least the TEXT comfort which is NOT the same as REAL TIME comfort at all) 2 texts ago when I was being REAL with her. This is more like DESTROYING any more thoughts of me being dangerous, by being completely outlandish. It’s like if someone were to give me a red flower. Then I told someone about the flower later saying, “It was this bright, red, flower – fucking totally beautiful.”

But then further down the road said to that person, “That flower I told you about… It was this bright-red Glowing flower, that was blindingly bright. When it got dark out I actually could use it as a flashlight it was so fucking glowy. And fuck all this winter shit, that flower was so red and bright it was actually emitting heat. No seriously, I have it on my patio right now so I can go sit out there in shorts and a t-shirt and still be warm.”

That’s a lame example but I took what she gave me, bumped it up a slight notch and then made it into the realms of ridiculous movie shit. The after effect is that I’m fun.

Her: Ahahahahah, wow. Okay, now I think you are entirely too amusing to not talk to again in person

translation: okay I’ll give you a chance to see me but I still don’t feel that comfortable.. and don’t get all creepy

Wrong. Maybe it’s me, but I like to take things like this (when she says something positive about me) at face value. She actually is totally in and saying that I have taken her from uncomfortable about the idea to VERY comfortable about the idea. She’s not saying when I get there she’s going to drop and give me a blowjob, but she is saying “Yes, you seem fun. Ok! I’m totally in!

Me: HAHA! I’ll make sure to wear my big feather hat and purple fur coat.

Have some more comfort. you laugh it off like like haha I amuse you..and then roll with it..just keep stepping around the wall 

True!

Me: See you l8r. I’ll try to keep my bitches in check

okay.. time to end it on a high note. after all, these are only texts. how did you intend to close her? did you guys previously talk about the coffee shop or something? btw off topic but I can’t help but picture you in a fkn purple pimp suit walking into some little quiet coffee shop with all the kids on their laptops being like yo’ bitch! What up! You know what time it is..wonder if she was thinking the same thing..

So she’s going to take a little more work… I made the first date short. It would do me NO GOOD to try and extract this chick our first time out. I don’t care if my game was Super Fucking Magic RossJeffries and Mystery and Hypnotica had a wonderchild, there was no way that this day2 would end up in sex.

So the plan was have a short date. Hit some checkpoints to remove her resistance and instill in her that I’m a safe guy AND get the sexual ball rolling. One without the other would be useless. So I took her to a couple different places in my car and ended up cutting the date short with a timebridge about a couple days from then, i.e. tomorrow night. Also, along the way I made definite escalation. We were talking about fucking and sex and there was this point towards the end of the night where we were in my car, driving her to her neighborhood, where she was talking about the ONLY 1 night stand she ever had.

I piggybacked off the story about the guys she had a 1 night stand with and said, “Sound almost like me. I kinda the same way, but it would be more like plenty of orgasms and no one ever had to know.”

She said, “What kind of orgasms?”

I said, “Plenty.” Then I start my routine about orgasms and why I like giving them. She says, “Nice. I haven’t had an orgasm from someone else in 4 years.” I was like, “You haven’t had one in 4 years?”

She said, “I mean, I can give them to myself but haven’t from other people.”

I looked over at her for about 5 seconds as if observing her and then simply said, “10 minutes.” I could tell she liked that idea. Next date we escalate…

Her: Lol. Don’t forget the cain!

dont’ forget about me!

Now she’s just playing along. It’s a good sign.

Me: Oh you mean my cain with the big crystal and gold rose at the top of it? . Ya. I’ll make sure I have it with me. That how I get RESPECT !

Her: Oh – Kay. . . Lol. Where are me meeting again?

what happens if you do all this and she replies something of the nature.. Lol

do you have to text her back for a place and time? or was that an understanding you guys had to meet up @ the coffee shop?

very cool how you took an objection of her’s reframed it to make you look interesting 
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Ya, from here it’s just – Ok blah blah blah we’re meeting at this place and time blah blah blah. Nothing special. Maybe there were one or 2 more jokes about the drug dealer/pimp stuff but I just wanted to get to logistics and not risk overgaming. Then we meet.

We’ll see what happens tomorrow. You only get 1 beer but you have to buy me one too. You sill have much to learn, grasshopper….

Text is hard shit though. Imagine sucking at text game for YEARS since the inception OF text. Ya, for like 5 LONG YEARS I was fucking HORRIBLE at text game. Sometimes I could make some cool shit happen but it was more luck – what do they call it, conscious competence, but only to a point because it wasn’t even competence until recently. Truth be told I might still be in the Conscious Competence phase, but my text game is phenomenal so it’s more like Conscious Phenomenality (which I think is a word I just made up).

To be continued in part 3

The Seduction of Rainbow Dash Part 1

Tsod:

One of my favorite books EVER is Bram Stoker’s Dracula.  The obvious reason might be that it’s because the story is about Vampires and Dracula and all that blah blah, but the truth is, that’s only part of it.  The thing that made the book so fascinating to me to read was the way it was written.  If you’ve never read it I highly recommend it.  Watching the movie doesn’t count.

It is written as a compilation of newspaper articles, journal entries, letters, public notices, doctors reports etc, that actually tell the story within them.

When you’re done reading my awesomeness, feel free to jump over and read it, and drop me a line if you do.  It was one of my favorite books back in the day.

Bram Stoker’s Dracula – Click to start reading this fabulous classic for free online!

The reason I bring this up, is because my story of HB Rainbow Dash sort of turned out like this on a Super Secret Forum I belong to.  Discussions sort of just happened and most of the chapters of the short story of real life experiences were drawn out in a sort of conversational fashion.  So the next few installments in my blog will be quite…  Interactive, if you will.  I feel like breaking it up into parts over the next few days is essential to not overload any of my readers.  If you want to catch up with the story you can always check out my last blog post – Setting up the Date:  Texting Made Complicated 😉

So here we go.  Enjoi! (Of COURSE I am not sharing the names of those involved to protect the guilty motherfuckers like myself. 😉 )

« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2013, 06:45 PM »

Ronnie this is awesome! I didn’t even know which parts to quote. but fuckin genius jedi shiieet ! haha!

« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2013, 08:29 PM »

My favorite and best moment to learn from is HOWEVER
Why you ask. She finally falls for Ronnie L-Pimp text game here. She finally says “OK”, yet he doesn’t hook into that, He stays strong and continues his fun and self amusing storytelling and then what makes it even better is that she follows along. She follows along with his story, hopefully she follows to his Ronnie L-poon…
Nice write up.
I bet she still flakes, not because of you, but cuz she is young naive girl… I bet a Beer of quality.

« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2013, 12:42 AM »

She did NOT Flake. But tonight would have been a waste to extract her to my place because of her lack of trust. So I made it a short date and drove her to like 2 different places, including dropping her off near her place at the end of the night. Meanwhile I started gaining her trust and introducing some light sexual escalation. Then the Timebridge. We will be going out Thursday night again.

This time I will have gained her trust. I got her in my car and drove her around and didn’t ass rape her or even try. I was as perfect of a gentleman, aside from talking about fucking and giving her orgasms, which she apparently has not had in 4 years, as possible. Day3.. At a BYOB (It’s her 21st birthday!) Done deal.

Oh and you owe me a GOOD beer..

« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2013, 03:40 AM » – (This is where I start to break down the seemingly innocence of my texts and the methods to my madness.  These are just my replies to her texts.  To get the whole rundown click this.)

Me:  HAHAHA ! That’s Hilarious! This is a GREAT story to tell my friends 🙂 Drug Dealer . . LOL It’s so ridiculous I can’t even be offended you just said that –

Subcommunication is the key. I always think there are two ways to react to something like this. I always like to use a Wall as an example. A woman puts a wall up. We can try to crash through the wall, which will only create resistance and since the wall isn’t going anywhere; OR we can try and defend against the wall or back away from it, which will mean the wall stopped us.

I choose the third way… The third way is to take a step back, observe the wall and don’t try to crash it and don’t run away, but to simple side step and go around the wall.

So instead of replying to her text:

I don’t think I’ll be meeting you tonight… I’m sorry if you changed your plans around for it but I think this whole situation is just kind of weird. The couple of people I told you about think you are probably a drug dealer.

I don’t directly reply to it at all. I don’t try to convince her to be there, and I don’t say, “Well too bad, bitch, your loss!” I don’t try to convince her I’m NOT a drug dealer and I don’t try to say, “Ya. How did you guess. I am a drug dealer.” which might have been a funny, yet coy remark; cocky/funny, that I would have USED to say… However it probably wouldn’t have been that effective. Instead I just Laugh, then I tell her it’s so funny I would actually want to share it with my friends and all that. Which is true…

Wait. How am I supposed to tell you about myself? We met for like 5 minutes . . You want me to text you my life story?

Implying that I did not tell her about myself through text and reveal specifics about myself, NOT because I was using text as a logistic tool, but because … Well, I was using text as a logistics tool Meaning, the more you Converse with the chick through text without a destination in mind the more you chance LOSING HER. Text is not conversation. Text is logistics and setting up the date. It took me SOOOOOOOO LONG to finally get this. Also a quick tip is, if you talk to the girl for 20 minutes always say it was 5 minutes. Shorten the time. There’s some sort of socially savvy reason to do this to sound cool. Not necessary but like adding salt and pepper to a steak.

And fyi. I work Day AND Night w my clients . Not just Nights. And I don’t recall you even asking me What I do? you’re so cute and funny all at once

This is almost like qualifying, but it’s a little more like correction. Being an authority in her world as Ross Jeffries would put it. I think explaining and qualifying vs correcting a chick is a very fine line. The reason this is NOT qualifying IMO is because I am not directly answering her question which is:

Why else do you have clients at night, know tons of women, and won’t tell me anything about yourself. . . 

Qualifying is more like, “Well I work at night because I am a ……” Or “Ok fine, I’ll tell you what I do. I…….” Some shit like that. My answer is more like dancing around her wall with finesse. PLUS I add a little push pull at the end.

How am I twice your age? Lol . . We never even talked about age. Actually I’m 4 times your age. 79 I just look Really Young for my age . . 🙂

Ross Jeffries always taught that to make something extreme in a ridiculous manner takes away from it’s power. Swingcat also taught a routine where you say something similar. As you may recall I just got tripped up recently due to my age difference with a chick. Not this time. (~this story was posted in the Super Secret Forum and not on here, but perhaps could be by request)

Her: Haha. Because you look way older than me. What is it you want from me anyway. 😉

Me: Hahaha. This is AWESOME! You have this whole Fantasy built about me from meeting me for 5 minutes and 5 texts 🙂 You TOTALLY watch too many movies

Avoiding her answers as much as possible, but just for the moment. I am leading, not her. She may ask a question but I will make statements and lead, answering her when I feel it makes sense to me, and not necessarily to her. She’s smiling = “I WANT you to convince me to go out with you. Make me feel comfortable, you’re getting there.” Main key to this message is simply a NEG.

Her: No I don’t! People get abducted and raped, and how am I to know you’re not a creeper

Me: I’ll tell answer your question in a second but let me get this straight. So I’m a Fifty year old Drug Dealer who lives a secret night-life surrounded by women and my seedy underworld clientele. And you scientifically came to that conclusion how exactly ? 

More leading, neg, OPEN LOOP and in this case I SPELL OUT what she just told me, so she can actually see how ridiculous it looks when she is the recipient. Also, NOTICE how I only bite the useful threads. I do not bite things like “Creeper, Rape, Abduction”. I TOTALLY ignore those threads. They don’t even exist in my reality.

Guess who the guy is who pays attention to those threads, either by denying them or somehow justifying them, even in a c&f kind of way. That’s right, he’s ONE OF THEM.

Her: Hahaha  That’s basically what my friends have chalked you up to, yes. But 40, not 50. So you think there is absolutely nothing sketchy about an older man approaching a young woman as a complete stranger, and asking for her number and to go out to clubs? 

Me: Hahaha! Could it be that I’m just a cool, social guy? Might it be that simple? I mean sure, that sounds a LOT crazier than Underworld Drug Boss. BUT might I just be a normal, cool, attractive guy with a lot of friends who just lives a fun life?  

Pointing out – HEY this is how normal people think. You’ll notice in the next couple texts the use of the words NORMAL and RATIONAL and things like that. That is most definitely NOT by accident. I am introducing to her that this, and many of the things I do, regardless of how abnormal they might have seemed to her, are, in fact – NORMAL…

Continued in the next chapter.  Remember kids, if you have question about specifics or you read something that doesn’t make sense to you, ask away!

Sidecar:

Soooo…  Technorati says to me, we need to find a Token so we can see that this is really your site and that token needs to be in the body of one of my posts.  So here goes.  This is not really important for anyone reading this but I figure since my blog is the way it is, I would leave it as a permanent addition to one of my posts.  Y4KVX4PJC3YG